where would joe louis figure in todays heavyweight division ?

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WTF is wrong with you people ?

 

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And the really sad thing is, every last one of those statements we`re actually said at one point by some idiotic ****, you have not exaggerated.

 

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Primo broke his ankle after the second knockdown. He was still overmatched but imagine lasting that long with a broken ankle against a fighter on his best night not far removed from George Foreman or the pressuring Lewis who faced Vitali. Wouldn't you love to see a guy like Baer active today? Size, balls, power, stamina, charisma, and aggression. He would lose to both brothers, but would give them an interesting fight.

Primo was a technically sound big man with a style comparable to Vitali. He had some excellent wins, like the Sharkey knockout that might trump Vitali's best wins, though I wouldn't argue him as being as great as Vitali. Vitali has better intangibles like those remarkable reflexes and punch resistance. But is a Primo a fair guage for how Louis would approach Primo? Absolutely. I still believe Vitali is suspectible to right leads, Louis's right lead over the top is superb, better than Lennox Lewis'.

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I can't agree, mate.

Corrie Sanders was the fighter who you'd have to say was Wlad's kryptonite and he wasn't a big heavyweight. He weighed 225lbs against Wlad but he was at least 10lbs overweight and if Ali, Frazier etc., were out of shape, they'd also weigh 225lbs. Being out of shape doesn't benefit Sanders either because the benefits to additional weight, such as tiring your opponent out, weren't a factor in that fight. Even though he won in two rounds, the additional weight would likely have made him slower than he would have been if he was ripped.

The difference between Wlad and Sanders was 17lbs and, yeah, I know that's not 40lbs Really though, I think if Sanders was better conditioned, he'd be 10lbs lighter, so lets say he came in the ring fit and Wlad had a 27lbs advantage, the result of the fight would have been the same. Now, considering how average Sanders was, even at his absolutely peak, is that additional 13lbs catch up weight as big of a bonus that Sanders could beat Wlad and someone who was 13lbs lighter than him couldn't? I don't think so.

The difference in quality between some of the elite small heavyweights, like Dempsey, Louis or Frazier, means that the weight difference of about 20lbs between them and Sanders, is far less than the gulf in quality. The three fighters I listed were all tougher, hit harder and were more technically skilled than Sanders was.

I'm going all the way around the houses here, so to finish off...if Sanders could beat Wlad by being an out of shape, oversized heavyweight, then I think an elite heavyweight could do the exact same thing he did, even though they'd be a few pounds lighter than Sanders was when he beat Wlad.

Honestly though, I just don't see size being that key. The best chins of any heavyweight in history, belonged to three guys who weighed 230lbs, 215lbs and 210lbs at their peaks. The hardest hitters weighed from 210lbs to 22lbs. I think at heavyweight, the normal rule that 'bigger is better' is pretty much thrown out of the window because there are physical limitations.

 

If Hopkins and Jones were not trying to make weight in their primes they would weigh about 190 pounds. I don't see why they would not be a very tough challenge for a 190 pound Joe Louis.

 

Wrong. There were a lot of big guy also in the past... but only a few fights were aired on tv, and there was only one belt.

 

Well in the past heavyweights used to cut weight. Maricano would cut weight and come in light the guy was naturally much bigger than his fight weight. Back in the past coming in light was considered important (by light i do not mean weight drained) Dempsey was another who cut, so its actually difficult to compare the weights of fighter from the past. imo guys like Maricano, Louis and Dempsey would all probably come in around 205-215lb these days.

 

Nope, we are talking about science fiction.

Bottom line is Louis is long dead and his prime was 70 years ago. So we are talking about raising a man from the dead and fighting him in 2011.....silly science fiction.

 

Also:

- Klitschko = Primo Carnera

- classic fighters gain 20-30 lb and 2-3 inches during time warp to modern era

- classic fighters can transform into Sanders and beat Wlad, then transform into Byrd and beat Vitali via shoulder injury

- boxing skills and power improve with the right background music

- term "blown up cruisers" only applies to boxers born after 1970

 

I don't believe boxers used to dehydrate themselfs to lower their weight going into a fight. Maybe they would do more road work and traning causing their weight to drop.

Boxers still do that, when boxers train hard for boxing the endurance training causes their muscles to become more economical and smaller plus burns fat. I believe they cut weight in that sort of a way but not in a dehydrating sort of way.

Wladimir and Vitali train to go a hard 12 rounds themselfs if they did not train to have good stamina they could easily be 280 pounds. But they would not be as good, either would Louis, Marciano or Dempsey if they did not train to have good stamina.

 

Joe Louis would be the undisputed champion nowadays.