where would joe louis figure in todays heavyweight division ?

:rofl:rofl... the **** he will; he will struggle with Kevin Johnson.
I am willing to bet that any version of Vitali would wax him bad.
Sdunek Wlad would KTFO Louis inside 3 rounds.

 

-Max Baer, Buddy Baer, Abe Simon, Primo Carnera, Lou Nova, Tommy Farr, Max Schemling, Ceaser Brion, Johnny Schkor were all ranked fighters the same size or much bigger. Not sure what you are getting at. You think Joe Louis needed a size advantage to be successful? Joe Louis certainly knew how to beat fighters that were bigger or of similar size and there's plenty of fights to attest to that.

-I have no idea why a 6'2" 200-210 lb (in lean 30s shape) fighter would be cutting weight to compete in a dreadful bankrupt cruiser division when he's the same size as the average Heavyweight today. He's about the same size as Haye with less muscle mass and I don't see any big men giving him trouble besides the brothers. You think Louis is going to struggle against Valuev, the still raw Helenius(not far removed from Abe Simon), and the helpless Dimitrenko? How about modern giants like Chageav, Adamek, and Povetkin? If you can't accept Louis getting past the brothers, he would still be a dominating #3 today. At least give him that.

And Louis would be tough match for the brothers. Louis applies pressure like Calvin Brock with stond cold confidence, and much faster and accurate hands. Joe from a technical stand point is still the greatest puncher in history. You don't think he would pose problems for Wlad and Vitali? A terrified and average speed Brock got to Wlad's body and beat his ribs red for several rounds, imagine Lous in there. It would be interesting. And I still say Vitali is open to a great right hand puncher, he has better reflexes but his stance is similar to Primo's and many of the classic 30s fighters so not sure where some of these comments are coming from.

-Strawman argument that would derail the focus. You ask questions like this and surprised when people mention Byrd/Vitali? I could list plenty of examples but I'm more interested in how Joe Louis would tackle the Brothers than other fighters. Stick to the topic.

 

Modern gloves:

The use of modern boxing gloves typically results in fewer superficial facial injuries but does not reduce the risk of brain damage for participants, and may even increase it because of the ability to throw stronger punches to the head without hurting the hands-wiki

Food for thought.

 

Joe Louis would have to fight at light heavy...to small for today's heavies...

 

I tell you that Alexander Povetkin is a mountain of man.

6'2" in the morning with his favorite pair of boots on. Weighing 220-230 in lean muscle, not an ounce of fat. Joe Louis would be a **** ant to this monster. :nut

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I don't know, it's hard to tell when the gloves were so much lighter back then. Imagine Tyson in the ring with the same less padded gloves.

 

It'd be interesting to know just how much of Louis' fights you've seen.

Of course you'll come back saying "I've seen most of his fights", but your comments clearly prove this is not true.

If Boxing has moved on so much that Steve Cunningham and Chris Arreola can beat Louis, why was old fat and nowhere near as good as 70's version of Foreman able to capture the lineal title in the very strong 90's HW era??

Is what you're saying that boxing changed so much between the 40's/50's to the 70's that this would not be possible for a "prime" Louis in contrast to a fat old Foreman.

As a heads up, Louis is a naturally bigger man then Adamek who beat fat cry-baby Chris Arreola, with probably 1/10th of his skill.

You've embarrassed yourself and should probably contemplate suicide.

 

Why?? Many beleived Haye could beat Wlad and it was clear to see if he actually had a more varied arsenal he would have been very successful. Haye is probably the same height and weighed 10lb more than Louis.

Holyfield weighed 205lb for his first fight with Bowe and was close to winning. Louis is more skilled than Evander, so why is it not possible?? Would you say that Evander and Bowe couldn't live with today's fighters!?!?

Louis is really no smaller than Adamek, Povetkin, Chambers and Haye...is far more skilled and carried no excess weight.

 

Joe Louis is no Eddie Chambers that's for sure.

Eddie Chambers may be a full two inchers shorter than Louis and slightly less broad but at 210-230 lbs he is absolute tank of modern nutrition and skills. One sight of this and Louis will be saying "**** modern Heavies, these men are monsters. I belong in the Cruisers with Cunningham and Tarver. I might, just might stand a chance against them. Which way to the sauna, I got some shedding to."

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It's hilarious how people dismiss someone like Louis becasuse of his size. It's even funnier how Klitschko fans cannot conceive the notion that either brother could lose to someone smaller than them, even though both have already lost to men who are not that much bigger than Louis (I know Klit fans have every excuse under the sun for these losses. But guess what? In the real World, and not Klitschko fantasy land, they are still loses).

 

This is a big post I have read it but the main point I highlighted.

Joe Louis fought 69 times and in those 69 fights was the bigger fighter 90% of the time. Joe Louis was outweighed by 7 boxers Steve Ketchel who had a 0-3 record. Tony Galento was a alchoholic chain smoker. Max Baer was 12 pounds heavier but washed up plus had lost his enthusiasm for punching with all his might due to killing 2 boxers.

One of Joe Louis assets was he was a big man for his time. I can't think of one great heavyweight that was consitently giving up weight to bigger men in his career. Can you name one great heavyweight that consistently beat bigger men? Beacause that is what Joe Louis would have to do to be a factor in todays division.

All through history the worlds best heavyweight has been very big for his time imo. If Joe Louis was to be dominant in todays division he would be breaking a very strong pattern.

 

Your opinion of Baer at the time of the Louis match..is most unusual. Do you care to explain what leads you to this conclusion? 32-35 was the most successful run of his career, his weight was consistent, he looked his most focused, and he picked up his most note worthy wins. He got spoiled by Braddock, but that was it. Bear's prime ended after the Louis loss. Than you seen the weight gain, much less consistent peformances..etc.

Lost his heart for punching? He expressed remorse but in the ring,he was still pretty cold blooded while brutalizing Schemling, Primo, and King...

Chicago Tribune: This was scheduled as an exhibition, no decision to be given at the end of four rounds. But Levinsky came out swinging and Baer become extremely angry. "At the end of round one he refused to sit down in his corner, but stalked around the ring waiting for round two to start. In round two he rushed to meet Levinsky and in less than a minute had pounded the King to the canvas, dead to the world."





-I've done listed contenders that were bigger than Louis or roughly the same size. He did not have any significant physical advantages over the men I listed.

-Yet yet beat many fighters of similar size or larger. Can you look beyond size and break down the REAL assests of Joe Louis. Louis did not fight tall or big until his second career in the 50s, he was a stalking pressure fighter who overwhelmed his opponents with hand speed and accuracy.

The portrait your painting doesn't reflect the fighter on footage. Even Sharkey was pretty close to his size. Smaller fighters like Conn and later Walcott actually troubled Louis more than fighters closer to his own size.

And Abe Simon, Primo, and Buddy may not be the Klitschok Brothers, but why the complete disregard? Primo and Buddy had good big man skills and Abe Simon was a solid big slugger. These men were not bums completely unworthy of being mentioned, they are relevant to this discussion.

-Ha, I can think of several but they are irrelevant to this discussion and will seriously derail this thread. And again beyond the K-Brothers, what bigger men are going to give Joe Louis more than he can handle? Most of the top 10 does not hold a size advantage over Louis. Who else do you see beating him?