Does Froch go above Calzaghe if he beats Ward?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Rob887, Oct 17, 2011.


  1. warrior85

    warrior85 R.I.P THUNDER Full Member

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    possibly because by beating ward he'd be the no.1 in the division without doubt & dont even mention bute because he hasnt done ****
     
  2. Loggo

    Loggo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And that win was a bit debateable.
     
  3. BoxingFanNo1

    BoxingFanNo1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's a little debatable, but the Dirrell win is far more controversial.
     
  4. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yet didnt look very good in beating Bika who Calzaghe beat far clearer years before

    Wrong again. The loss to an unwell Kessler coming off a defeat is there. Also as I noted at this time Froch hasnt beaten a SMW as good as prime Reid, prime Lacy, Woodhall, Veit, Mitchell, Eubank, prime Kessler. None. Tell me what SMW did he beat as good as any of those wins?
    Pascal wasnt top ten, Dirrell hasnt beaten anyone other than a former MW by DQ, Johnson has a joke of a SMW resume, Taylor was 1-2 in his last 3 fights.
    Now Im a fan of Froch but you have to know the division, which you obviously dont

    All peoples attitudes are different, but that isnt doing more
     
  5. chitownfightfan

    chitownfightfan Loyal Member Full Member

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    No......But IF he moves up to LHW and dominates it for about 3 yrs...that is after he handles Bute and maybe Pavs or another top 10 before his ascent then maybe.
     
  6. Axe

    Axe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes, it really is that simple.

    The poll speaks for itself. :good
     
  7. Axe

    Axe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Let's not forget Clazaghe beat a Kessler who was fighting with a broken hand.

    Hardly prime.
     
  8. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Thats odd. Kessler said before the fight that he doesnt know where that rumour came from and when asked straight after the fight said there was no hand problem.
    Still the real thing you forget is that Calzaghe was fighting with 2 bad hands past his prime and won
     
  9. Rob887

    Rob887 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes he was, he was top ten ranked by Ring.

    Woodhall, Viet and Eubank were not though.
     
  10. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Pascal got moved in after the fight, like Eubank did after the Calzaghe fight.
    Veit and Woodhall were also top 10 rated. You are probably looking at Boxrec yearly ratings. Veit alone has a far superior SMW resume than Johnson, Dirrell or Abraham and Veit was an INT Champ

    After Eubanks fight with Calzaghe
    1. Frankie Liles*, 31-1, WBA champ
    2. Joe Calzaghe* (Britain), 23-0, WBO champ
    3. Robin Reid (Britain), 25-0-1, WBC champ
    4. Joseph Kiwanuka (Uganda), 25-1-2
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      (Britain), 45-3-2
    Woodhall - Beyer who beat Woodhall was KOd by Woodhall victim Catley

    1: Joe Calzaghe* (Britain), 29-0, WBO
    2: Sven Ottke (Germany), 20-0, IBF
    3: Bruno Girard (France), 38-2-1, WBA
    4: Byron Mitchell, 21-1-1
    5:
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    (Britain), 26-2

    6: Dingaan Thobela (South Africa), 40-7-2, WBC
    7: Glenn Catley (Britain), 26-4
    8: Markus Beyer (Germany), 18-1


    Veit when Calzaghe fought him a 2nd time

    1: Joe Calzaghe* (GB), 38-0, WBO

    2: Jeff Lacy, 19-0-0-1, IBF

    3: Mikkel Kessler (Denmark), 35-0, WBA

    4: Markus Beyer* (Germany), 32-2, WBC

    5: Danny Green (Australia), 19-2

    6: Mads Larsen* (Denmark), 45-2

    7: Robin Reid (GB), 38-4-1, IBO

    8: Anthony Mundine (Australia), 23-2

    9:
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    (Germany), 45-1
     
  11. BatTheMan

    BatTheMan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why cant you endorse Kessler's hand injury as a fact?
     
  12. MrOliverKlozoff

    MrOliverKlozoff The guy in shades Full Member

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    Why are people so embarrassingly short-sighted?
     
  13. Rob887

    Rob887 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Eubank hadn't been ranked for a long time, he was widely seen as done. Deal with it. Even if he was ranked, it would have been a total disgrace given his recent record. He hadn't even been fighting 12 rounders anymore or competitive fights or even at the weight. That's before we even approach the two weeks notice issue.

    Woodhall was also all but done.

    The Reid win is relatively decent, but certainly nothing spectacular, especially given the nature of the victory.
     
  14. BatTheMan

    BatTheMan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And Veit might have been ranked, but he was ****. Everybody knew that.
     
  15. simon850

    simon850 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Froch is representing the UK in style.

    War Froch