where would joe louis figure in todays heavyweight division ?

If Louis were to turn pro today this is exactly what he would do or are you suggesting that 190lb 6'2" Louis would start his career as HW?

 

Joe Louis might start his career at CW and he might start his career at HW. At 6'2" and a lean 190-205 lbs in his very early 20s, I wouldn't rule out either possibility. Though nutrition back than was alot different than it is today, one wanders if Louis wouldn't start heavier.

That mocking post was in regards to the crap being tossed around in this thread that Louis would drain himself to stay below 200 lbs. That is preposterous in an era loaded with similar sized and even smaller fighters. There is no money at Cruiser. As a man capable of destroying good 250+ fighters, Louis would most certainly compete at HW sooner than later.

 

How can anyone be so ****ing blind?

Lol Louis almost as big as Haye, as technical as Holyfield

 

He was no lean at 200. He had a flabby stomach.
A lean Louis weights 190; he was Dempsey's size

 

Facts:

Joe Louis 6'2" 76" Ideal Prime Weight: 198-206

David Haye 6'3" 78" Ideal Prime Weight: 199-210

Of course, Haye is no 6'3" if you use your eyes.


What? Sharkey as technical as Holyfield. Absolutely. Perhaps moreso. Sharkey lacked Evander's focus and mental toughness though.

 

A 198 lb Joe Louis with a muscular abdomen. You are clealry trolling or suffering form sort of vision impairment. I will respond to your nonsense no more.

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If you can`t see why Joe Louis would absolutely decapitate Roy Jones or Bernard Hopkins then I don`t know what else to say... Louis might take a few rounds to catch up to RJJ but he WOULD eventually land on him & when he did it would be lights out for Roy.

B-Hop would get slaughtered in the first few rounds, he is not as quick footed as Roy & that shoulder roll **** would be suicide vs a legendary puncher like Louis, he would murder Hopkins & leave him lying in a heap in the middle of the ring.

 

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The older they are the better they were according to the nostalgic geezers. Size don't matter unless its old vs old. I doubt any of them pick a boxer even 20 pounds lighter to beat Louis, Liston, Foreman, Marciano and Ali. But the Klitschkos can't beat boxers 30 or 40 pounds lighter according to them. :rofl

 

This post is a real shame. I've been very reasonable and respectful of your opinion despite your admited short comings and misrepresentation of facts. I've gone into detail and explained my reasoning without disrespecting any fighters or any posters.

In retort, you write this classless hyperbole. I will not waste anymore of my time with you.

 

Sharkey as technical as Holyfield...my god some of the **** that comes out of you classic appologists mouth
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Your just sour cause I have pointed out a obvious flaw in your logic. And how respectful would the history section be if I said a fighter 20 pounds lighter then Louis like Martinez would beat him? Or If I said Chad Dawson would beat Liston would people in the history section be respectful? I would be called every name in the book then permanently banned.

And we are talking about a 40 or at least 30 pound weight difference. Can anyone name a fighter that would beat Louis, Liston, Marciano, Forman or Ali that is 20 pounds lighter then them? I would never be so disrespectful to sugest that a boxer 20 pounds lighter would beat those boxers.

You are the one being disrespectful saying that a boxer 40 pounds lighter would beat the Klitschkos. Thats like me saying that Floyd Mayweather would beat Marciano. That sht would get me banned for life.

 

Hmm...

Louis -- Conn nearly did beat him the first time.

Marciano -- Probably nobody, but many in Classic consider Marciano unbeatable below 190 pounds head-to-head. (Others, by contrast, pick Fitzsimmons to beat him...)

Liston -- Marty Marshall did beat him at 179 pounds. Ezzard Charles possibly could have beaten him. Some on Classic pick Marciano or Dempsey. Tunney, too (ca. 190 vs. ca. 210).

Foreman -- Jimmy Young at 213 beat Foreman at 231. Pretty close to 20 lbs., and Foreman was even a better fighter in general than Young.

Ali -- Some pick Marciano or Dempsey over Ali. I don't. Regardless, Ali is a bit of an anomaly: he's history's best 210-pounder head to head, just as Marciano is probably history's best 185'er head to head. The Klitschkos, by contrast, do not have an indisputable claim to being the best "superheavyweights" in history.

Not quite. The difference between 245 and 215 is less, relatively speaking, than the difference between 147 and 187, for two reasons. First, simple percentages. Second, marginal gains in human athleticism decline as size increases for reasons that McGrain (I think?) explained earlier. Hence, Valuev.


I think the basic point others are making is that Joe Louis (who usually weighed a little under 210) could chow down on burgers for a few weeks and he'd look like Calvin Brock. Brock was considered a legitimate challenger for Klitschko, so why not Louis?

 

Louis at his best was under 210 pounds he might not carry over 210 pounds very well he did not have a very big frame.

 

i can imagine in 50 years, old fans telling others that valuev was every bit as skilled as the current crop of super fast, co-ordinated 7foot 5 contenders of the era. when looking at the fighters of the 30s, you can debate how much boxing skills have progressed, but you cannot deny that athletically boxers today are far superior. except the many fatties in the heavyweight division of course, but for guys like the klits it doesn't apply. and if you're transplanting louis to this era, then does he still have the same fight schedule and 2 weeks to prepare, while the klits have 3 months, supplements, videos of fights, modern equipment etc? not a fair fight. and don't try and compare carnera to them, he was basically the 30s version of valuev.

 

Louis was a great fighter for his age and time. Just like Jesse Owens was a great track and field runner in the 1930s.

Trying to compare Louis and putting them in the ring with any modern age fighter is simply unfair and a joke really. Louis would get blown out of the ring and clowned so bad you'd have to be a sadist to watch him get beaten to a bloody pulp.

I wanna ask some of the ESB classic forum nutheads one thing:

If I put Ursain Bolt and Jesse Owens on a 100m track and let them race, we'd all agree Bolt would destroy Owens.

If I put Louis in the ring with any HW champ of the last 20 years then why on earth does Louis deserve odds that are better than an icecube in hell?