Tony Tucker and the Tall Trees...

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  1. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Tucker is a hard one to place. Early amateur success, then a pro career stymied by managerial ineptness, injury, drugs and opponents' refusal to get into the ring with him. He shone at moments then seemed disinterested at others.

    Let's size him up against some other tall heavies of the past over 15 rounds with 1960's refs. Take both fighters at their A game, not their greatest moment but their very good moments that they could have with some minimal consistency.

    v Jess Willard
    v Harry Wills
    v Primo Carnera
    v Buddy Baer
    v Big Cat Williams
    v Earnie Terrell
    v (young) George Foreman
    v Joe Bugner
    v Gerrie Cooney

    How good could he have been if things had gone better for him and had he made some things easier for himself?
     
  2. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In his day he was not treated very well by the boxing reporters who thought of him as dull and unproven but on hindsight I'd say he was a bit better than they said he was. Obviously falls short of the Klitschko brothers and Lewis as I don't think he quite possessed the ability that they did. He was skilled to an extent but lacked what is required of a truly dominant super heavyweight, such as a strong jab, control of distance, physical strength and fight-ending power.

    He could potentially do well against some of the men on the list but the problem I have with Tucker is that I never saw one truly impressive performance of his that would make people take notice. He grinded out a win over Buster Douglas but I doubt he left anyone in awe with his effort.

    Considering how he won most of his big fights, he might get the edge in decisions list but never truly dominate.
     
  3. Unforgiven

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    Tucker's claim to fame is going 12 rounds distance with both Tyson and Lewis.
    He was also one of Don King's pet heavyweights and was three times gifted his place as 'mandatory challenger', in each of the 3 sanctioning bodies (he later went on to get a WBO shot too ! But I think that was after King had disposed of him).

    He proved a decent opponent for Tyson in 1987, but I'd put him at the lower end of the numerous alphabet champions of the 1980s. He really didn't achieve much and the vast majority of his fights were uninspiring performances against utter non-entities.

    I wouldn't make him a favourite over any of those fighters on Seamus' list. But I wouldn't make hm a clear underdog against most of them either.
     
  4. Kalasinn

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    Even against Cleveland Williams? :blood
     
  5. Unforgiven

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    Cleveland Williams was about as good as Tony Tucker.
    Maybe he was better. Their records are comparable - two LONG lists of tomato cans !
     
  6. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    I think he did better against Kid Dynamite than Wlad would.
     
  7. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Tucker, imo, had it all, he didnt seem to have the hunger to be a great champ though.

    He was big, mobile, decent chin, maybe a little lacking in power and not a very dominating jab.

    His claim to fame is lifting Tyson with an uppercut in the first round
     
  8. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    prime Tucker was possibly ernie terrells equal. No more than that. I place terrell quite low in the scheme of things, ATG things anyway -still a very capable world class winner.

    Tony fares equaly well against the guys ernie could beat. I place ernie just above big cat williams on merit.

    terrell v bugner is a 50-50 fight so I would say terrell, tucker and bugner are pretty equal.


    Jess Willard beats tucker on points
    Harry Wills beats tucker on points
    Primo Carnera beats tucker on points
    Buddy Baer loses on points
    Big Cat Williams loses on points
    Earnie Terrell -pick em
    (young) George Foreman wins by KO
    Joe Bugner -pick em
    Gerrie Cooney wpts
     
  9. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    It's worth noting that old George Foreman would not sign to fight his mandatory, an old Tucker, and chose to fight Schulz instead.
     
  10. Unforgiven

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    True.
    Also, a young Tony Tucker turned down a fight in 1985 with Larry Holmes for the IBF championship.
    Carl Williams accepted the fight instead.
     
  11. PowerPuncher

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    :lol: at people picking Willard to UD Tucker, Tucker could do something Willard couldn't, it's called boxing

    v Jess Willard - Tucker wide UD or KO
    v Harry Wills - don't know
    v Primo Carnera - Tucker wide UD or KO
    v Buddy Baer - Tucker UD
    v Big Cat Williams - Tucker UD
    v Earnie Terrell - Tucker
    v (young) George Foreman - Foreman
    v Joe Bugner - Tucker
    v Gerrie Cooney - Tucker
     
  12. Unforgiven

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    Tucker was black and wore slick jheri curls and had a sequined robe. :good
     
  13. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    the crux of the thread.

    do you think he shook activator into his opponents' eyes?
     
  14. PowerPuncher

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    And making Spinks run for the hills, and making Foreman run for the hills and beating Douglas who beat Tyson and going 34-0 and stunning Tyson and probably being Tyson's best win
     
  15. janitor

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    It is worth noting that he was denied two shots at the lineal title, against Spinks and Old Foreman. Hardly beyond comprehension that he could have won one of these fights, had they gone ahead.

    I think that he would have had sucess against the group you have listed, but would probably have lost to the best of them.