James Toney & Sven Ottke?

In my view, Toneys proven cheating destroys everything he has accomplished.

 

its hillarious that all the delusional toney **** suckers in this thread can't dispute the facts in any detail, all they keep saying is blah blah ****ing blah lol::roflatsch

 

I wouldn't go that far, but its definately a bad mark to have against his name.
Its the risk you take when you decide to use roids

 

It sure is.

About the topic: Havent seeing much of Ottke(Only the Larsen fight, which I had him losing at the time) so cant comment. I will hopefully(?) get into watching some of his other fights.

 

Toney enjoyed a lot of wrong decisions that went his way and was well managed but everywhere outside Europe Sanderline Williams would have came up on top vs Sven Ottke .
Toney also had a few wrong decisions that did not go his way like Peter #1 and some say both Griffin fights as well .

 

I wouldnt really recommend it he was kind of boring to watch. You should check out the Reid-Ottke fight - for some of the most horrendous referring you will see in your life

 

Exactly why I havent, but to come with a solid view on him, I would have too watch more fights with him.

 

I'd be surprised if Abraham landed that many.

In fairness to AA, he was taking a huge amount of Ward's punches to the gloves. Although the jab was effective at keeping AA off him, Ward wasn't scoring a lot of those punches.

Froch was shooting straight through the middle and actually scoring with the jab.


There once was a boxrec-addled boy that started a thread about Sturm and Hopkins, and that thread lives on and must be revisited from time to time.

[url]http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=257163[/url]

 

because toney fought his guys in a period of 15 months...not over a career..... 6 defenses of his title in 12 months, over top guys...while ottke goes life and death with usa tuesday night fighters chaarles brewer, and those other clowns you mentioned that were a blip on the radar of boxing for a minute...robin reid is no mike mccallum, mads larson is no reggie johnson.... end thread right about now

 

Don't bother unless you have a death wish. I watched all his defenses BITD hoping for Ottke to be KTFO. Countless wasted saturdays on my behalf......

 

Fair point

 

James Toney wouldve made sven ottke his *****

 

just like he did the mighty dave tiberi and the phenominal sanderline williams :rofl:roflatsch

 

No one can deny Toney was slick and had a lot of talent and skills, but no one can also deny he was a fat, undisciplined steroid cheat who in his prime got beaten twice by a 5"7 Montell Griffin not to mention draws with Sanderline Williams and a loss to Drake Thadzi and he was also humiliated by Roy Jones, now with all this considered how can anyone not give a Ottke a good chance of beating Toney? Will people really sit there and think Griffin, Thadzi and Williams are betters fighters then Ottke?