Why are there no good Eastern European fighters below heavyweight?

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  1. vipers

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    Genady Golovkinn
    Beibut Shumenov
    Grzegorz Proksa (current european middleweight champ could see him beating Sebastian Zbik,Darren Barker and Julio Cesar Chavez jr
     
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  2. Vysotsky

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    If you're genuinely interested i could show you some very talented lighter weight guys.

    At the recent 2011 World Amateur Championships Ukraine won Gold at LW, WW, MW, HW and Silver at JMW. Russia Gold at Flyweight with Aloyan beating Ru'Shee W.arren on his way to Gold.

    Ukraine Vasyl Lomachenko is widely regarded as the P4P best Amateur in the world and Russia's Selimov and Vodopyanov are not far off. Tishchenko was a 2x Olympic Gold Medalist but retired never going pro.

    lol watch entire thing but at 50 seconds that's Selimov he embarresses, they hate eachother. Selimov is P4P too.

    2008 Olympic HL age 20.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lQ4EugHKUo&feature=related[/ame]

    2011 WC body shot KO

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyLDAwB1sXo&feature=related[/ame]


    2011 WC Gold Medal Match vs Cuban Toledo who is about 4' taller

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJbUu7rTqRg&feature=related[/ame]

    Gamboa vs Tishchenko (2x Olympic Gold Medalist)

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w-CIPAycnE[/ame]

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS1IObil1dM&feature=related[/ame]
     
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  3. kopejh

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    dude Shumenov and Golovkin are both Kazakhs. the Kazakhs I know don't identify with eastern Europeans.
     
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  4. Hercegovac

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    Generally former Soviet Bloc states are seen as being Eastern European, while Countries like Croatia, Slovenia, ect. are seen as Balkan states.

    For all intensive purposes though, I classify any country from Poland to Kazakhstan as Eastern Europe.
     
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    2011 WC Gold Medal MW. Ukraine's Khytrov vs Japan's Murata.


    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHOt84bB4zU&feature=related[/ame]

    Sarik Sapiyev embarrassed US's "Black Pearl" Errol Spence at Worlds this year.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qxax0SQzr5w&feature=related[/ame]

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzEkFSu2IzI&feature=related[/ame]
     
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  6. Nazarene

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    even though kazakhs obviously look asian?
     
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    Aloyan who beat Ru'Shee w.arren and went on to win Gold this year

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seZgpp2m5G8[/ame]

    HL of 60kg Selimov World Champion and 2x Euro champ
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh55IKwC9wQ[/ame]
     
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  8. Bubby

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    Kostya Tszyu!
     
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  9. Swarmer

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    Kostya isn't on that level.

    Lomachenko is indeed impressive. Savvy, good basics.
     
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  10. lzolnier

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    The Eastern Euros are taking over boxing and this trend will extend to lower weights soon enough, whether you like it or not (and obviously you don´t....trust me bro, elite boxing will be 90% non american within a short time..only a fool would not be able to see that). 20 years ago they weren´t even in the conversation, how could they be since they could not possibly compete in the pros. The fact that they are already established and prominent in the higher weight classes within just 2 decades, which you´ve left out, speaks volumes. And BTW, Michigan Warrior, you should recognize one of the best middleweights of all time, the Michigan Assassin, as at least partly Eastern Euro , and ethnically 100% from that region, as both his parents came from Poland.

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  11. Bubby

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    Kostya Tszyu was not a Great fighter? :patsch:patsch:patsch!!!!!
     
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  12. Swarmer

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    Great fighter, but not on that pound for pound level.
     
    Swarmer, Oct 23, 2011
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  13. doylexxx

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    cause a full grown man as a welterweight in the real world is a midget !!!

    I met Hatton


    Land of the little people

    be proud small frys
     
    doylexxx, Oct 23, 2011
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  14. horst

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    Oh yeah, the current barren scene makes me yearn for those golden days when the great Eastern Europe fighters like Ottke, Michalczewski and Maske spent their careers tracking down and convincingly defeating the very best opposition available to them in and around their weight classes... :rofl
     
    horst, Oct 23, 2011
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  15. horst

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    Mario Veit. Ask any Calzaghe fan on this forum, and they'll tell you all about ze legend of ze Great Veit Hope.
     
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