My New Hw list (top 25)

im going to watch joe louis fight. if he doesnt lose any h2h against any other top fighter he must be amazing, considering he still alot smaller than the modern heavyweights.

 

Rocky is a tough fight for ANYONE. Trust me. They would get out of that ring never wanting to face him again win or lose.

 

In most peoples opinions. Do a poll

 

Good List Luf and I think you made some good observations. Obviously I disagree with some parts of it... Examples being Liston for sure, and maybe even Louis being too high in the h2h rankings. That said, overall I think it's a pretty darn good list imo.

I will say this though, I would also pick Marciano to beat Dempsey, Frazier, Holy and some others.... Just my opinion though.

 

sure why not

 

I'm sorry, but an incredibly rough start in my view. In boxing, especially at HW anything can happen. One punch can change HW history, yet you have Louis going undefeated against 39 of the best HW's on the planet. Louis actually lost against some of these guys in his career, and almost lost to those who weren't even HWs. It honestly seems like the world ending in 2012 is more likely than Louis going 39-0 against such impeccable opposition.

Liston... the guy didn't win through adversity in any meaningful fight.

 

The first list is good and fair to your credit, though. I don't see how in the world Langford ranks ahead of Marciano in a H2H list. I thought Marciano's problem was he already too much of a midget now this 5'6 HW is a more viable H2H force? Marciano already beat 2 of the guys on that H2H list anyhow, that's the funny thing about it.

 

I was going to compile one awhile ago but just said eff it. Yeah, Louis avenged his losses. But he had losses. Now he's going against an ATG HW 39 times out and we're expected him to go undefeated. This doesn't seem a little far-fetched to you? It doesn't seem like you're expecting too much of him? I can't even envision Louis beating Ali let alone going 39-0 against the best HWs in the history of sport. With that logic, you'd expect great fighters to run off undefeated records all the time.

What did Langford did to accord himself so well in HW H2H threads (Not P4P). What film displays him looking so special where he should picked to beat an undefeated sub 200 lb H2H monster? It seems way too presumptuous to me... I know it's all speculative.

 

I like your first list, I dont care for your second - but that is no insult to you, I just despise h2h lists in general. Things have changed so much its not really fair to compare old time boxers to their new age counterparts. It is better to appreciate boxers in context imo. Dont forget that while Joe Louis was a massive puncher, he was also wearing 6 ounce gloves, which are half the size of the gloves modern HWs use.. Imagine taking a right hand from a 240lb Lennox in a glove that size :scaredas:

Anyways, here's a hypothetical question: had Vitali beaten Lennox, would he have gotten credit by most or would it be written off as an old/shot Lennox? What would his ranking have been had he won that fight.