ESPN : Kelly Pavlik to be trained by Robert Garcia.

I think Pavlik is athletic but maybe not in the same way as a lot of guys Steward seems to like to train. Loew said that Steward can't train a boxer like Pavlik himself. I think Stewerd in his training might have his fighters fighting a bit scared or thinking to much I noticed it in Cintron also. Pavlik can't fight that way and win imo.

 

OK OK OK. First off, ill make a couple phone calls this evening and find out the real scoop!

I have became pretty good friends with someone close to Kelly over the last couple months! He told me Buffalo, New York was gonna be the new Spot for training! Obviously that changed.

The Bottom Line is this. Top Rank still has Kelly UNDER CONTRACT. 98% of me is thinking They told Him "If you wanna fight, You will do as I( Bob ARUM ) Says your gonna do it! You will Move to Cali and TRAIN. I will Lease you a Place to stay. If Jack Loew comes along, thats fine, but we want you to See Garcia! If You dont agree we will just wait for your contract to run out!"

You gotta look at it like this though! Jack Has his own Paving business, He trains boxers EVERYDAY. Dannie Williams is the MOST Known fighter he trains! So how is Jack gonna Be in 2 places at once? Whether its Buffalo, or Cali. Jack Trains his guys in YOUNGSTOWN!

Moving somewhere else to train is Kellys best choice. BUT! Didnt NAZ say he wouldnt change a thing with the way Kelly fights? hmmmmm

 

This move should have happened years ago. But better late than never I guess?

 

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I've seen better YMCA trainers than Jack Leow

 

Ok so like I asked before... Manny Steward couldn't train a tall long armed right hand puncher with a good jab, deceptive hand speed, heavy hands, and a relaxed ring presence?
Manny doesn't teach guys to fight scared. He shows them how to fight tall, and use there jab as effectively as possible thereby allowing them to find the correct range to throw the right hand.
Did Tommy Hearns fight scared? How about Gerald McClellan, or Michael Moorer? Come on now.

 

In NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM would Kelly TRAIN with Steward! Richardson would have been a GREAT choice! Will see what will happen down the line! Im Not believeing this TRAINER CHANGE until i hear it from Kelly!

 

Cautious would have been a better word then scared.

I used to actually think Steward would have been a good trainer for him if you read my first reply to you will see that. I think Pavlik already uses his height and jab real good already.

The last little while I watch Pavlik and I think maybe Loew has done a real good job training Pavlik. Basicly I think Pavlik is kind of a planted fighter with heavy feet I don't think Steward style of fighting would work for him.

The three fighters you mentioned had better foot speed then Pavlik.

 

Pavlik never fights scared!

 

Cautious????? Seriously? McClellan, Hearns, and Moorer.... cautious? Your joking right?
Michael Moorer quick feet? Wlad Klitschko quick feet? Kermit Cintron quick feet? Manny Steward trained fighters take control of the center of the ring... minimizing the need for quick feet, and wasted movement. Basci boxing here my friend... educated jab neutralizes speed. Case in point Vernon Forrest vs Shane Mosely. Many fighters known for quick feet, and pure athletic ability often neglect the fundamentals. Old Osscar pushing Floyd to the limit. Berrera over Hamed. Marquez giving Manny all he can handle. Look what the jab did to Tyson. Oh and how could I forget the shining example we got last the other weekend... DeMarco over Linares. It was quite clear who the fast fighters was of both hand and foot. yet there was Demarco steadily walking him down, gauging distance, closing in, and disrupting rhythm. At the end of the fight the slower fighter with the heavy feet used a good persistent jab to overcome a more athletically gifted fighter.

My feeling is that fundamentals always beat athleticism. A great jab will almost always offset hand and foot speed. Pavlik is a very fundamentally sound boxer. Leow took Kellys tools and built Pavliks style around his strengths. A smart trainer knows what he has to work with, and that's why I support Leow. I also think that Mannys style of training suits Kellys sttrengths as a boxer.

 

He told him to double the jab, so he could get the opponent to stand in place and get the right hand bomb landed. How is this a bad plan? Kelly is slow footed. He has to stun the opponent first and then land the right hand. How many middleweights are going to take his right hand flush? None. That was a good plan. A guy is a ****ing drunk, nothing you can do or say about that. What is pavlik supposed to do? Fight on the inside? use foot speed? seriously. Lowe is a good trainer.

 

It's not a bad plan in itself, but it's bad when a trainer repeatedly says the same thing despite it not working. If Loew said "double the jab" before the 3rd round of the Hopkins fight and was still saying the same thing before the 12th, then that shows an enormous lack of strategic ability from Loew.

That's what I don't see from him. If a fighter was able to figure out Pavlik's jab, then what answer does Loew have? He hasn't shown any. Stand in front of Pavlik and eat his jabs, and yeah, it's good advice but take the jab away and Loew is lost.

 

Like I said in my first reply to you I am not so sure Steward would be a good trainer for Pavlik. I am not 100 percent certain he would be a bad trainer for him.

I believe in what I have seen of Stewards fighters of late I would not like him training Pavlik. I like a lot of what I see in Pavlik and I think Loew is a big part of why Pavlik is so good.I don't think I would like Pavlik fighting something like Stewards fighters of late. Not that they are bad fighters but I don't think it would work for Pavlik.

I have not watched Hearns and Moore in some time and never with Pavliks style in mind so maybe I will watch them some time soon. My gut is telling me its a bad fit but there could be some things misleading me. Maybe some of the other reasons will be more clear to me later on and I will exsplain.

Also keep in mind that Pavlik was fighting at a very high level and that level went noticably down problably due to lack of commitment. Steward is a bigger name in boxing but that don't mean he is better at training Kelly Pavlik then Jack Leow.

 

ok... Im gonna do this 1 more Time!

Under Jack Loew Kelly has learned!

1. A Great 1-2, 1-1-2 that If These LAND FLUSH its Night Night!

2. Developed a 3-2 as seen in Lopez fight!

3. Strength due to OLD SCHOOL Training!

4. Decent left uppercut to the body which sets up str8 right!

5. Kelly Cuts off the ring GREAT!

6. Defense is UNDER-RATED. Everyone says he gets HIT TO MUCH. Nah If You look closer into it, Most of the Punches are being Deflected off his gloves not doing any damage!

Kellys chin is one of the best

Kellys heart in the ring is great!

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So if he can learn HEAD MOVEMENT, FOOTWORK, and Speed up Those punches a little bit, he would be able To BEAT Most TOP GUYS at 168!

 

Yeah you're right let him stay with jack leow

 

Unless Arum and Dunkin are saying things that Pavlik never agreed to, it's a complete ******* move by Kelly.