Design the "perfect" fighter

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by cross_trainer, Oct 25, 2011.


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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    He also needs a burning desire to prove himself to his wider community...let's make him half Mexican but raised in Canada. He'll have **** all Mexican and...a medical condition that makes him look weird. THEN, aged six, disaster, he has to move back to Mexico to live with his working class dad, no Mexican, bit poofy and weird looking, not accepted by his people. Determination to prove himself to these people allows him to marry the traditional Mexican style and a mean left hook to the liver to the more cerebral boxing his natural intelligence lends itself to.
     
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  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    He'll end up getting the nick or something.

    About 7% of the population don't experience fear in the usual way, just give him that.
     
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  3. MAG1965

    MAG1965 Loyal Member banned

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    Sugar Ray Leonard was always to me the perfect fighter. If only he had more mental strength. I don't mean in the fight, but after a tough fight he wanted to quit boxing. But in the ring in his prime in 1981 he was almost unbeatable.
     
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  4. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Nope.

    I'm only wearing the labcoat in my avatar for the ladies.
     
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  5. Garrus

    Garrus Big Boss 1935-2014 Full Member

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    Good ****.
     
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  6. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fighter? Honestly, it looks like the guy that presses the button to lauch a missle, but let's just hope he ain't doin ****...

    Situation is this when it comes to boxing...

    God creates a plan for every person as God created life, and God creates time, and God cannot be defined with the scope of our minds...

    My point is that during any duration of times, an individual can feel that calling and since it does not require necessarily athletic aptitude, but a mental ineptness for pain, and the knowldege and ability to perform quick thinking movements both cause and effect, and the ability to demonstrate this over the majority of their opponents who are less aspired in this aspect...

    That is a great fighter

    But the greatness of each fighter can be multiplied by the environmental expectations of its surroundings, which will present a fighter with a new set of obstacles that must be overtaken which are much greater than those from before. With substantial degredation to the populous, the response laborous, weakness is not tollerated as was tollerated before.

    Those that fall victim to their desires and weaknesses, will only desire more...


    It is in this environment, that you will be most likely to see the greatest of all, and this may apply to all aspects of life or many...


    Do play on acquiring statistics and running perhaps an anon statistical analysis on whatever variables you decide are related or co-dependent?
     
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  7. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Although I'm pretty sure that you don't agree with me, I'm not precisely sure what you're arguing here. This isn't meant as an insult or challenge -- I just don't know exactly what you mean.



    Okay, so your definition of a great fighter is one who:

    1) Can tolerate pain well
    2) Has boxing knowledge
    3) Has an ability to "perform quick thinking movements both cause and effect" -- which I assume refers to reflexes and coordination.
    4) The ability to demonstrate this against opponents.

    4) seems a bit redundant, since it's just stating the obvious: that he can box well. We're trying to break it down a bit further.

    We've already discussed 2) -- the guy clearly needs to understand his craft.

    1) is environmental, but I suspect some people can naturally tolerate pain better than others.

    3) Reflexes can be trained, but a portion of them must be genetic. Coordination is probably similar.


    Okay, I think you're basically saying that a tough environment produces great fighters. Doesn't this agree with what we've been talking about?
     
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  8. Garrus

    Garrus Big Boss 1935-2014 Full Member

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    Da **** you on about b? :patsch
     
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  9. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Also: great spatial perception skills (which I think are measurable and at least partially genetic). Good memory. Amazing coordination, especially hand-eye. Better than 20/20 vision. Great peripheral vision.

    He'll also have the genetic mutation that creates abnormal muscle growth by "turning off" myostatin production: http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Science/2004/06/24/512617.html.
     
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  10. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Watch films of the welterweight Ray Robinson...As close to perfection for a human being.
    Height, reach, puncing power and combinations, Classic ballet like movements, great chin, An ego second to none to be the greatest fighter ever,was his greatest asset.
    Robinson had it all.
     
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  11. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'll put it this way, I'm way more impressed with Carpentier vs Dempsey in both the quality of the fighters and the vicsiousness in which they perform their craft, than anything I've seen recently.
     
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  12. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Ah...I see.

    I'm not arguing that modern fighters are better, though. For that matter, I'm not even necessarily arguing that modern training is better (although it is from a physical standpoint).

    The advantages we've been describing -- better vision, depth perception, natural musculature, an even tougher chin, abnormal reflexes -- would have helped a fighter even if he'd been born in the 1920s. In fact, someone might even argue that the social conditions of the 1920s produced fighters significantly better than the guys around today, so the "perfect" fighter would have come from there.
     
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  13. Shake

    Shake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Long arms. Liston, Robinson, Pacquiao, Hagler, plenty of great fighters had unusually long arms.

    Small head, with well above-average skull density.

    Tiny midsection. Rock hard, of course.

    The big thing, though, and I've never seen it quantified or explained, is coordination. I really believe it counts for lots. I don't know how you get it, just that you need it.
     
    Shake, Oct 26, 2011
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  14. thistle1

    thistle1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    of a couple of hundred TOP middleweights from Boxing's great past and especially the 1940s middleweights, you've got your perfect fighter(s).

    big & strong enough to fight bigger men, and lean & fast enough to fight with the speed and skill of smaller men.

    Middleweight Kings, dream machines, Boxing's Best!!!
     
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  15. emallini

    emallini Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Tommy Hearns with a Granite chin and amazing stamina
     
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