And being KO'd has got what to do with stamina??? You can be knocked out with the first punch of the fight. Neither of Lewis's KO's had anything to do with a lack of stamina. And, it goes without saying he avanged both his losses.
First. He was gasping for air and could barely move is why he got KTFO against Rahman. Second. Your opponent having a mental breakdown in the middle of the ring and quitting can hardly be called "avenging" a loss. Third. Regardless of how he lost, if a scenario exists (and it obviously does) in which Hasim Rahman and Oliver McCall can knock Lewis out, then one exists in which Dempsey could. I'd of course favor Lewis, but you talk as if it's an impossibility. Again, as has been stated by two people already, you're embarrassing yourself.
Lewis would win 99 times out of 100 against Demspey. Theres always the chance he could injure himself. Im also of the mindset that Rahman and McCall hit harder than 185 lbs Dempsey(basically a modern day light heavy. Hopkins weighs 185 in the ring) But I suppose you're going to tell me weight and size has nothing to do with power either.
And outside the heavyweight comparison, does anybody really believe deep down inside that Erik Morales or JCC sr are that athletic or that their diets consist of anything but tortillas, frijoles, and tequila? They have awesome intangibles and beat "athletes" like Kevin Kelley with ease. When I hear about modern training techniques and diet, it just seems absurd. What affluent guys work their way up the ranks with good diet and exercise? How can a 46 year old with good fundamentals compete with young guys if its all about modern food and superior athleticism? blah blah blah intagibles RULE in boxing. I have been physically stronger than almost any of the guys I fought in the amatuers and usually quicker but I got beaten badly (and sometimes easily) at times because my intangibles suck and my technique was inferior at times. Obviously I wasn't superior athletically like Roy Jones was, but athleticism just isn't always the end all be all of a sport like this. Watch Basillio vs saxon II and the sick infighting and speed and tirelessness over all the rounds and tell me welterweights are still that busy and fit and skilled at infighting.
Dempsey would look like a club fighter trying to hit Lewis. He'd be turned into minced meat in 3-4 rounds. Dempsey like all the other pre-war fighters was terribly clumsy and just unprofessional in their approach to boxing. It's completely unfair to even try to compare them to modern day athlethes.
Gene Tunney was a smoother, more skilled heavyweight than anyone today. He was the opposite of clumsy.
Imagine how good JCC and Morales would have been if they took their nutrition and training more seriously and professionally. They succeeded in spite of their training regimes, not because iof them
You see people in the classic forum debating who would win out of a fight between fighters they haven't seen any footage of, people just have these romanticised unrealistic interpretations of what old boxers were like. They don't realise that these views are not based on reality, you just have to watch the videos. No one would suggest that a 180lb fighter today would beat klitschko or lewis, so why if they were born 100 years ago? Jones Jr is considered by many to be one of the most skilled boxers ever, when he competed at heavyweight he was the size of a pre 70s heavyweight, but no one thinks he would beat lewis.
What areas would they have been improved in as professional boxers if they ate the right combination of carbs and protein, and made sure to finish their vegetables?
All of them. They have been stronger,fitter and faster. Maybe Morales wouldnt have looked like an old man while still in his 20s slumped on the canvas against Pacquiao in a few rounds. So their punches would have been more powerful and faster. Why do you think Pacquiao puts so much confidence in Ariza?? You dont think Ariza has added anything to Pacquiao??
It's funny; a lot of the guys now known for having strength and conditioning programs, athletic trainers, and nutritionists fade in fights. Berto, Cotto, Taylor, De La Hoya a few years back, etc. I'm not saying that stuff isn't beneficial. It has been for many fighters, but only to a certain extent. If you don't go hard in sparring, don't put in enough rounds, and don't have the skills to match (which most fighters don't and most trainers can't do **** to help them), then all the sprinting, box jumps, power cleans, and weighed chicken breast ready in Tupperware containers isn't going to make an iota of difference. You're still going to be limited and most will just flat-out suck. The skill-set should be properly honed first and foremost, followed by the most important type of preparation - sparring. The old-school guys got conditioned through fighting 5+ days a week and were aided by having trainers who actually knew things about the sport other than mindlessly moving their hands to a pre-patterned mitt routine. For the most part, you don't see that anymore.
Ariza has been a big addition to Pacquiao, most definitely. But he's lucky to be trained by Freddie Roach, who properly prepares him for fights, goes over gameplans with him, gets him elite-level sparring, and has the knowledge to sharpen his skill-set. If you allowed Pacquiao to get with Ariza from a young age, but replaced Freddie Roach with George Peterson, I bet his career wouldn't have amounted to nearly as much as it did. Somebody like Morales may have been able to throw quicker shots or more powerful punches with better nutrition and athletic training, but I don't think it would've helped to extend his career. Why? Because his defensive was just downright poor. And that's part of the skill aspect. And also, nothing could change his Mexican warrior mentality and thirst for war. It was ingrained in him. It's part of who he was.
Pacquiao's more or less always been a physical marvel. The only things that have been added to his game are certain technical dimensions courtesy of Freddie Roach, and even those are exaggerated. In what areas of strength and stamina was Chavez lacking, or Morales for that matter? A career's worth of hard fights is what lead to Morales's demise, not his diet. What of guys like Armstrong, Marciano, etc. from back in the so-called prehistoric ages? Why were they able to fight all 3 minutes of a 15 round fight day in and day out with their supposed "inferior" training and dieting techniques? Armstrong used to gorge himself in order to even surpass the Lightweight limit, guzzling back beers, etc. yet he beat the best Welterweights of the day.