[OFFICIAL] Mayweather-Ortiz Numbers Released

Floyd should do better numbers as these are US PPV buys we are discussing... With that said the Common opponents were fighters whom Floyd faced BEFORE PAC......and that causes the "luster" of the fighter to dim a bit which affects the buy rate for PAC. And even then Floyd didn't do that much better over all.

The DLH fight shouldn't even be included b/c NO ONE gave PAC a shot to beat DLH and that GREATLY affected the numbers based on it being touted as a complete mis-match and DLH was labeled a guy who was picking on smaller men.

Lets see how JMM vs PAC 3 does and compare to how Floyd vs JMM did. That will be a present day indicator of where both men are in terms of their US PPV drawing power.

Both have massive egos and both want to be seen as the top guy....both will have to share the spot until the dust settles and they either face each other or let time do its thing and history will be the judge.

 

That's irrelevant...the fact that Manny is a foreigner means nothing, there are only two fighters in the entire sport who can sell a,milion ppv, Floyd and Manny, they both became draws after their respective bouts with Oscar, Manny has been thoroughly advertised, he's had Nike commercials, Nike products, cell phone commercials, he's been on late night tv and add that to the fact that he is exciting in the ring and link in what is deemed as a super fight with Floyd makes him a legitimate draw...

The fact that African-American's have no large, loyal fan-base says a lot for Floyd who sells himself, has had no national commercials, no major sports endorsements and is thoroughly hated by many is a testament of his ability to sell himself so kudos to both Floyd and Manny, not just Manny...hell there isn't hardly any other fighter who can even get on ppv and whe they do they usually are seen as flops because of the standard Floyd set..

 

But, but, but Steve Kim said "he heard" it did 850k ppv buys. But but sports illustrated writer said 1.15. But, but, Lance Uppercut said we are all idiots for thinking it was a success. lmfao

 

Who is arguing? Class is in session son. I know...floyd fans have a hard time with school....I'll do my best to dumb it down for the more "special" ones. This might take a while..:rofl

 

And where exactly have you seen me dispute this?

I know Mayweather's numbers are bigger than Pac's. I know Mayweather's a bigger PPV star. That doesn't surprise me. But what does surprise me, is how Pacquiao has been able to catch up and close the gap in recent fights. As a foreign fighter - which does have an influence - that is very impressive.

 

He could've also done a cartwheel in there and stood on his head in between rounds. This is boxing. I'm not sure how punching some guy in the face trying to hurt him could ever be described as classy.

Well then blame Ortiz for looking at the ref after getting hit with a warning shot. If he didn't know the round had started before that left hand hit him, he definitely should've known after. I'm not sure how you could be ok with the one punch but not the other. No one is at fault for that but Ortiz.

 

I've BEEN saying this, Mannys numbers are GREAT.

Both fighters are great and are doing unbeleivable things both in terms of dominating their opponents and cross over appeal

As boxing fans we should be embracing that.

I do understand what BigReg is saying alot of Pac fans will not admit that Floyd is the bigger draw and try to spin everything just to suit their cause.

 

The nationality of a fighter does influence the extent to which you can sell/market yourself. So of course it's relevant.

 

I think most do accept that Floyd does slightly better US PPV numbers than PAC in common opponents. It's numbers and figures which are striaght up and down.

But the OVERALL importance is NOT the AVERAGE of the numbers...it's the BOTTOM LINE. And bottom line...PAC is ahead of Floyd where it matter MOST... in TOTAL profits, events and revenue tied to their fights.

 

I don't know about BigReg, but the others, it seems, don't like the fact that I'm congratulating Pac for his PPV numbers. Sure, they're not as good as Floyd's, but for the person he is, he's done very well to only be a couple of steps behind the number one PPV star in America.

 

:rofl

This guy in denial

 

Those guys were all huge stars because they fought in America. America is the biggest media market in the world. Obvously, fighting here is going to raise your profile. However, that doesn't mean that you have to be American to make it big here. You're not from this country so it's hard for you to undrertand the dynamics of nationality over here.

Pacquiao has been fighting here for over a decade. He's had more than enough exposure here where him being Fillipino has no real effect on his ability to sell a fight to the American people. If Manny was fighting in the Phillipines and most the of the advertising was geared toward people of the Phillipines, then you would have a point. But that's not the case. People here will watch any entertainer(whether it be a movie star or an athlete), because they have had sufficient exposure to said entertainer and because said entertainer entertains them. To put it simply, people buy these ppvs based on how well they know the fighters and how they feel about the fight. No one is factoring in nationality when thinking about what fight to buy.

 

Counting isn't for everyone.

 

No it is irrelevant, if the foreign fighter is a great fighter has a great promotional team behind him who is pulling out all the available resources they can to sell their fighter and has an arch nemesis then any fighter American or otherwise can be stars....and let's face facts here, if there was no Floyd Mayweather to attach Manny's name to he wouldn't be as popular as he is...

Manny has been marketed to be compared to Floyd in terms of performances against like opponents, in hopes of a huge showdown, so Pac would be irrelevant if there was no Mayweather...still do good numbers maybe but not millions I'm sure of that...

 

i see what you mean but you posting it in the wrong thread at the wrong time.