Hernan Marquez vs. Luis Concepcion II RBR

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by IntentionalButt, Oct 29, 2011.


  1. PIPO23

    PIPO23 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    29,997
    6,974
    May 18, 2006
    Can't be right all the time, bruh.
     
  2. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

    404,288
    86,365
    Nov 30, 2006
    I will educate the living troll out of PIPO, if it ****ing kills me.
     
  3. Seckah

    Seckah Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,320
    0
    Oct 2, 2010
    :hat I see my bad i am a bottle of wine and a cohiba in!!!
     
  4. PIPO23

    PIPO23 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    29,997
    6,974
    May 18, 2006
    Oh, hell nah!!
     
  5. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

    43,969
    13,339
    Apr 1, 2007
    IRL chuckled :lol:
     
  6. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

    404,288
    86,365
    Nov 30, 2006
    Anyway, it seems like all the focus has been on Hernan in the aftermath here.

    What now becomes of Luis? :think

    Had he gotten revenge tonight, we'd have an appetizing rubbermatch in the oven...but where does he go now? Even if he picks up a couple of good wins, there is really no point in a third try against Marquez. Does he move up to 115? (where he looked downright scary against Chango) Does he stick around but target a different org's belt, trying to get ranked with something other than the WBA?

    The first war with Marquez obviously didn't ruin him, given how he bounced back against Vargas. (looking good enough for some people to even favor him in the rematch!)

    I honestly don't think what happened tonight will ruin him, either. It ruins any chance of securing a third date with Marquez, but it was really too quick a summary beating to have had any lasting effect on him - physical or mental (since he can just assure himself that Marquez caught him cold after the glove-tape interruption, since many fighters seem to shield their psyche with the "caught cold" excuse when licking their wounded pride).
     
  7. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

    404,288
    86,365
    Nov 30, 2006
    Nobody cares about Concepcion now? He's yesterday's garbage?

    Gives us a FOTY candidate and a KOOTY candidate in the same year, but then finds himself on the wrong end of another KOOTY candidate and suddenly he's persona non grata? :bart
     
  8. jan_fan

    jan_fan Well-Known Member Full Member

    1,990
    0
    Sep 28, 2011
    What the hell!! What's the matter with these donaire leftovers?
    They keep winning bigtime. Last night Mthalane, now Marquez?
    Deym :lol:

    Anyway, nice win for "Tyson" Marquez though.
    That's a good win. :good
     
  9. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

    404,288
    86,365
    Nov 30, 2006
    Not to mention Raul Martinez, who probably has a chance at a world title coming up in a rubbermatch with Rodrigo Guerrero. ;)

    Watch Narvaez drop back down and make a dozen more defenses, too. :yep

    Of all the Donaire victims, though - Marquez has the most promise & longest shelf life. Darch is close to done, and so are Sid and Montiel. The rest just aren't as good as Marquez.
     
  10. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

    404,288
    86,365
    Nov 30, 2006
    IMO Concepcion's best bet would be to look at the wider-open super fly division, and target Shimizu (the weakest champion right now, and he'd get to preserve his high status with the WBA rather than starting from scratch with a new organization)
     
  11. jan_fan

    jan_fan Well-Known Member Full Member

    1,990
    0
    Sep 28, 2011
    Wonjonkam, Viloria, Mthalane and Marquez
    Why not let these guy have a little turney for a flyweight unification match? :bbb

    The winner becomes undisputed champ. Kinda like Hopkinsque in the lower weights :p
     
  12. jan_fan

    jan_fan Well-Known Member Full Member

    1,990
    0
    Sep 28, 2011
    hmmm... In terms of career length, I'm not very sold out for Marquez yet. But he does have a good future after this fight though. Next is yet to come, I don't know if he stays that long really.

    Narvaez still has a good chance, but if he keeps fighting again in Argentina, I don't think he does significant there. Judging by his age, I doubt he'll stay long.

    Darch still has a chance to make noise, but less likely right now judging by who he's fighting next. But he's already done enough already.

    Sidorenko, not sure. I don't know why he stopped fighting. Only 2 guys beat him and these are 2 of the best skilled bantamweights in the world today. Only one managed to stop him and that guy's going out of the division already.

    Montiel still has a good fights I think. There are still some fights I'd like to see him against like Raffa or Nishioka (If Donaire skips on this), Arce or probably Mijares (yes I'd like to see this one).

    No comment about Raul, he just lost his last fight against a guy he just beat before and he should have beaten him in that fight.
     
  13. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

    404,288
    86,365
    Nov 30, 2006

    Don't judge Martinez too harshly. Guerrero is better than his record. He's got an iron jaw & iron will...ask Vic. Plus, you can never read too much into a technical decision. Martinez still could have conceivably come on strong in the later rounds and won had it not been for the cut.

    Montiel might have a decent win or two left in him, but I really worry for his health and well-being after that brain-scrambling KO. Plus, he's no spring chicken. He's been in the game a long time already and been in some wars.

    Narvaez as you said is also pretty old (but a lot less shopworn, thanks to his defensive style). He'll probably just feast on soft touches at home until retiring...and I like the guy, just being honest.

    Wladimir Sidorenko already peaked IMO, about 4-5 years ago. He looked like a shadow of himself against Nonito.

    Regardless of whether he beats Moreno and secures another title, Vic's time at the top of the sport is drawing to a close. His awkward slugging style doesn't lend itself to longevity and he's already super old for the lower weights.

    Chango Vargas and Maldonado are shot to ****.

    Mthalane is just OK.

    Rafael Concepcion hasn't picked up a good win since Banal more than three years ago (and has gone 5-4 since, losing to three big names but also a virtual unknown).

    Of all the Donaire victims, none have a brighter outlook than Hernan Tyson Marquez. :deal A beast in his prime.
     
  14. Tackleberry

    Tackleberry The Reverse Somersault! Full Member

    8,642
    2
    Dec 8, 2009
    Man you've got to love the lower weights. So much talent, so many warriors, so many great fights to be made. Would absolutely love if they could gather the top Flyweights in a 4 man tournament.