Johansson-Ten Hoff...BOOM!!!

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  1. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJsrOZf9crE&feature=related[/ame]
     
  2. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Ingo definitely had a crushing right hand .. I'd go as far and say it was better than Baers ..
     
  3. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Well, I don't know if it was better than Baer's in terms of pure power..and torque, but Ingo's right hand was indeed more efficiently delivered than Maxie's..and almost as efficient as the other Maxie..Schmeling.
     
  4. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hein ten Hoff is a modern sized and modern skilled super heavy with a high guard and fighting behind a long jab. He would be a contender today, like he was in his own time.. In fact probably he woule be an alphabet titlist. And maybe better.

    Johansen, iget the feeling, was a hell of a lot better than people give him credit for. maybe the most underated champion ever.
     
  5. choklab

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    I also think he was the most underrated champion but you still cannot rate him that high on account of his short prime. Ingo was damaged goods after the crushing knockout he suffered from Patterson but until that point he unquestionably had ATG form.

    At any one time it is easy to asses what a fighter has to do to be considered great. On rating any champion for greatness think of the fighters he would have to beat to be called a great fighter when he first comes onto the world stage. when Ingo came onto the scene machen was an unbeaten #1 contender and a prime Patterson was the undisputed champion. Ingo flattened the pair of them - you cannot do any better than that.
     
  6. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    True.

    I am Just thinking that if the time machine is ever invented, he will do a lot better than most expect him to, that is all. Also, I think that he loses form once he wins the world title, like most do, example Dempsey, Johnson, Bowe, Baer, Liston etc. Sometimes he needs to be ranked on what he did before Patterson I not after. I admit there are lots of questions because of lack of longevity, but Ingo of Patterson I comfortably demolishes Ingo of Paterson II and III. If that makes any sense.
     
  7. he grant

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    I see him as soft, poorly conditioned, unmotivated with a weak chin but man could he hit with that right ... a nasty shot ..
     
  8. choklab

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    :goodperfect sense. If we rank fighters just on their best night ingo is danger H2H against anyone.
     
  9. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Give me a ****ing break :-(
     
  10. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hoff was alright in his day but 1955 was certainly not his day. He was comparable to the Luan Krasniqi that fought Dimitrenko at that point.
     
  11. SuzieQ49

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    Hein Ten Hoff was washed up by 1955

    Checkout how much better Hoff looks 5 years earlier vs Walcott

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTmNZZXLMng[/ame]
     
  12. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    In 1959, Johansson was relatively trim, focused and quite effective in the way he delivered that Toonder and Lightning Bingo right hand of his..the rematch with Patterson in '60 ruined him for the most part...he was thenafter more predictable with the right and he got lax in his training with all those parties and strawberry shortcakes he liked so much, and yes, he got soft. He was very effective in that 1st fight with Floyd the way he jabbed, jabbed and then jabbed some more, before suddenly flashing that big right..after the atomic left hook he caught in '60, his coach turned into a pumpkin.
     
  13. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    I enjoy no one mentioning that this was the final fight of Hoff's career

    Or that he was knocked out by Heinz Neuhaus (Who?) three years prior

    And a 32-18-2 fight a year before Ingo did it.

    Titlist my ****ing ASS
     
  14. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In Billy Gilliam's defense he was no bum and may have pulled off the feat at any stage in Hoff's career.

    The first round loss to Neuhaus is awful. That takes away most of his credibility in my eyes.

    Hoff looks alright here:

    http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=57142
     
  15. TheGreatA

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    I decided to look into it because it didn't look right to me (Neuhaus wasn't a puncher) and according to Hein Ten Hoff he broke his leg while falling on the canvas, which led to the first round KO loss.