Why does Pac beat Floyd? Logical answers please.

Do you understand what Long Range means? Floyd's feet are just as fast as Manny's. You really underestimate Floyd's ring IQ and offensive skills. Floyd has a beautiful left hook up top and to the body. He doesn't have to clinch Manny all night. Anyways its not even worth going back and forth. If and win the fight happens it will be a sparring session by round 5 with Manny over extended and being frustrated.

 

The problem that Manny faces is that Floyd is a master boxer. He has the same knowledge about boxing that Roach has and he probably has better knowledge than Roach to be honest. See you say Manny needs to close the distance and it will be hard for him to do it bc Floyd's feet are just as fast and his foot work is better than Manny's. Floyd can use angles as well and don't get confused with angles meaning throwing while leaning to the left or some **** like Manny does. See Floyd has a quick jab that has snap on it and he has timing that will kill Manny. Floyd is the most accurate boxer in the game and when he throws he will throw and land wherever he wants on Manny. Roach can't fight for Manny and Roach has failed twice going up against Floyd so what will he come up with. Also Manny will have a plan A and when that plan doesn't work, then what? Look at Floyd's career. All the guys that throw punches in bunches and try to rush him get picked apart. We shall see and I am done talking about it bc it will just be us repeating things for several pages. By the way I pick JMM to be Manny so all this **** might just be a waste of time in discussing!

 

Give the first highlighted/underlined criterion to Floyd.

The second, give to Pac. Unlike Pac, Floyd hasn't been tested to the limits so his heart remains yet to be seen.

Add to your criteria 'Ring IQ and Generalship' and give it to Floydie. Yeah, overall, it's 50/50 for me too.

Good breakdown overall, kudos.

 

Pacquiao has been hit by bigger punchers, ( Cotto, Margarito, even Clottey!) and has the recuperative powers to keep the punch output high..even when hurt...which he has been by all of the aforementioned fighters.

Floyd had all sorts of problems against Judah who was also a southpaw, Ortiz has a few moments where Floyd wasn't entirely comfortable with the pressure..then he decided to use his head!

Manny's foot movement combined with his hand speed allied with his punch output equals points win for Pacquiao for me...there's a huge case either way in my opinion.

 

I was in a hurry. Elusiveness should be Floyd, not Pac. Ring Generalship would have been a better term than elusiveness. Replace Elusiveness then with Ring Generalship.

 

That's right.

Zab has a better jab, better power and faster hands.

Marquez gives Pacquaio ALL he can handle and Marquez is in a class BELOW Floyd.

Logic dictates that Floyd beats Manny. Mayweather has too much of everything that causes Pacquiao problems.

Arum *KNOWS* this which is the reason why the fight hasn't happened. As long as Arum can match Manny with guys who are perceived to have little chance @ winning and can make tens of millions in the process, the Mayweather fight will not happen.



Let's be honest about Pacquiao's recent opposition;

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  Marquez is coming up TWO weight classes to WW. Floyd was *heavily* critisized by *******s for doing essentially the same thing Pacquiao is doing
  
  Shane was Ole and hadn't won a fight in *TWO* years
  
  Margartio was coming off of a year suspension and a brutal KO LOSS
  
  Clottey was a nobody coming off of a LOSS
  
  Cotto was coming off of a brutal KO LOSS
  
  Hatton was coming off of a brutal KO LOSS

See a pattern here with Pacquiao's match making? The only pure boxer out of this group and the only guy who ISN'T coming off of a loss is also a lightwieght coming up *TWO* weightclasses.

The message here is clear; if you're a threat to Manny - you don't get to fight him unless you make some major concession in his favor. Usually that concession is going to be weight. This was the case with Morales [in the rematch], Cotto, Margarito and now Marquez.

Floyd, OTOH, isn't playing that game and refuses to make any silly concessions to the Pacquiao people in order to make the fight happen. I mean, come on - who ever asks for a *10 million dollar* per pound weight penalty? That should tell you right there that the Pacquiao people aren't really interested in making the fight. It's all smoke and mirrors on their part all the while they're fighting guys who are coming off of losses [usually by brutal KO] or Floyd left-overs.

Pacquiao is so protected it ain't even funny. Even Stevie Wonder can see this...

 

It's not he can, HE WILL LAND plenty of punches on Floyd. But what you should really look into is how constantly would he land those punches? Manny is very dependent on landing most of his power punches to win his bouts, and Floyd is great at limiting the amount of power punches that his opponents land on him, so what would happen when Floyd would limit the amount of power punches that Pacquiao landed on less defensive Boxers like Margarito and Cotto?

Let's look at the Manny-JMM second bout for instance, at that point Manny was already an improved Boxer compared to when he first fought JMM, but JMM still limited his power punches to only landed 114 power punches out of 305 thrown in that fight. It's not easy to land 100-120 of your power punches on Floyd, let alone land those amount as a final total punches land.

 

*******s know absolutely nothing about boxing

 

You *******s need to get your FACTS in order.

Judah gave Floyd problems for the first TWO rounds ONLY. By the middle rounds, Zab was taking a beating and was in survival mode.

Ortiz had a few moments in the second but still ate a load of clean right hands in that round. Floyd gave Ortiz a beating in the third and by the end of that round I had commented to everyone who was watching the with me that the fight was essentially over. We all know what happened in the VERY next round.

Stop talking out of your ASS...

 

SRR was a master boxer and Lamotta was not.

Whitaker was a master boxer and DLH was not.

Hopkins is a master boxer. Taylor was not.

Leonard IMO was more skilled of a "boxer" than Duran.

IMO, Camacho was a better "boxer" than Chavez.

Spinks was considered a better "boxer" than Tyson.


So what happened?

 

I don't think so.

Judah put some serious hurt on Cotto with that counter left uppercut. And remember, this was an *undefeated* Cotto who hadn't yet received beatdowns from Mosley and Margarito.

 

Floyd will always have timing and thats why he will beat him. Even if he wont see all the punches coming he will work the rhythm and counter Manny wich ruins Mannys rhythm.

 

Robinson, Whitaker and Hopkins were all ole' assed men when these loses occured.

HIGHLY debateable.

Please leave the crack alone.

Spinks was a light heavy and an OLE assed man. Prime Tyson had every conceivable advantage over Spinks except for height and reach. Oh, and did I mention that Tyson was probably P4P the #1 fighter in the world when this fight took place?

You *******s are grasping @ straws.

 

Damn you beat me to it.