chime-in on punching power

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by john garfield, Oct 31, 2011.


  1. conditioner101

    conditioner101 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You are so wrong it defies explanation !
     
  2. onourway

    onourway Haye KTFO1 Wlad Full Member

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    You're wrong.

    What if somebody puts on 50 pounds, you saying they wouldn't then punch harder? :nut
     
  3. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    We haveta agree ta disagree, c. Lemme clarify, a novice can become an accomplished boxer, just not have an eraser, 'less he was born with it.
     
  4. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    I have improved both
     
  5. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    No, sorry to disagree John but once you learn to sit on your punches, turn them over, turn your hip into them, they'll be allot more powerful than they first were when you walked into the gym. As you get stronger your punches have more weight on them, as you practise the punches 10,000s of times they become better more efficient more powerful punches

    Now your physical limits are there ofcourse, smaller hands/bones will mean you haven't got the same weight, that your hand gives way a bit. If you don't have an explosive muscle type, you won't be able to generate as much power
     
  6. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What's that got ta do with cracking at weight classes below dinosaur, o?

    Sure physics dictates that to you. By that rationale, Valuev would be the heaviest puncher in the division.
     
  7. conditioner101

    conditioner101 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    First off there is neurological efficiency... "Neurological efficiency is the ability to contract a percentage of a given pool of muscle fibers" and neurological recruitment... "is the ability to activate a greater number of individual motor units." Improvement in either one of those would constitute an increase in punching power, and when combined together the increase would be more dramatic. People have different thresholds of ability when it comes to neurological recruitment and efficiency. Different starting points, and different ceilings of improvement. We can all get bigger, faster, and stronger. the difference in all of us is where we start, and how much room we have for improvement as individuals.
     
  8. conditioner101

    conditioner101 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yeah but in the beginning you said no boxer ever punches harder then when he first walks into the gym. That statement is 1000% wrong.
     
  9. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If you feel that way, it's great. My over 60 years experience is contrary.
     
  10. Stiltskin

    Stiltskin Well-Known Member Full Member

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    John power can't be drastically improved but it can be improved technique is very important, my best punches are hooks I like body punching it hurts more than the head IMO but you have to learn technique beforehand. If you don't know how to pivot on the ball of your left foot while your throwing a left hook and twisting your hips and shoulder into it (that's how you get your bodyweight into it it's all about leverage). I like you John ive read many tales of old fighters and funny stories because of you but though not drastic it;s not like there's no ability to increase power and speed there is just not to a great degree.
     
  11. conditioner101

    conditioner101 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Well said
     
  12. stormy

    stormy Live and Learn Full Member

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    so what you are basically saying is that you either have it or you dont?:think
    I guess it sounds about right.

    Improvements are always possable,but raw power is either there or it aint.:hey:deal:thumbsup
     
  13. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That is what I'm saying, c, plus his hand speed doesn't get faster. A bitter pill, I know.
     
  14. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Say it louder, s. But there's an important distinction between strength 'n PUNCHING POWER.
     
  15. conditioner101

    conditioner101 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You are absolutely wrong. Power can always be increased. The degree to which it can be increased is limited by the athletes physical makeup/attributes. Can you turn a non puncher into a true puncher? NO, but to say that a boxer can never make any improvement in punching power is ludicrous.