chime-in on punching power

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  1. Boxing Fanatic

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    but, then, again, training for speed does work ask any sprinter or marathon runner. bruce lee use to train for speed by using proper throwing technique more like a snap rather than unloading. u see the best guys with speed like manny, he doesnt waste time throwing his punches, he throws his punches straight out like bruce lee does. his power is generated by his body's force into the punch and the use of his legs. guys who swing for the fences like haye, dont always generate extreme power. technique is everything
     
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  2. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not at all, C. Plenny became damn good fighters without those gifts,'n always worked like trojans to improve them.
     
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  3. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Dude, shut your ****ing ****** mouth before I ****-slap your mother.
     
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  4. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I always wondered how good Pep would have been if he didn't spend all his time at the track, in gin mills 'n chasing broads, c.
     
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  5. conditioner101

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    Is he talking to me?
     
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  6. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Didn't mean ta wind-you-guys-up. Just curious ta get your POV.

    Wave ta me ringside at Pac-JMM III
     
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  7. stormy

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    i think so?:rofl
     
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  8. conditioner101

    conditioner101 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What I am saying is any physical attribute can be improved through training, but you can not create something from nothing. No amount of training will make Willie Pep hit like Sandy Saddler, and no amount of training with give George Foreman the hand speed of Ali. Could Pep hit a little harder if he trained specifically to do so? Absolutely. Would that increase translate into knockouts.... most likely not.
     
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  9. conditioner101

    conditioner101 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    good thing you're not talking to me!
     
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  10. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Funny thing is, c, Willie had 67 KO's (most likely from whiplash, being hammered like a woodpecker)
     
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  11. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah, I just quoted you. Obviously I was talking to that other guy that I didn't quote because that's what I do. I quote people's posts and respond to them directly when I'm aiming my points at someone else. Obviously.
     
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  12. conditioner101

    conditioner101 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    See.... I knew he wasn't talking to me.
     
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  13. conditioner101

    conditioner101 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    65 ko's in 241 fights. Not what most would consider a puncher.
    Although I would attribute that more to his style.
     
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  14. boxon123

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    Interesting battle between a boxing trainer and a conditioner when both think they are right.
     
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  15. magatte

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    Ah really....? So here is his early career from his first title win to his meeting with Juan Nauel Marquez (who he sent to the canvas three times in the first round):


    Draw 38-2-2 Juan Manuel Márquez Draw 12 (12) 2004-05-08 MGM Grand Garden Arena, Las Vegas, Nevada Retained The Ring World Featherweight Title. For WBA Super and IBF World Featherweight Titles.
    Win 38-2-1 Marco Antonio Barrera TKO 11 (12) 2003-11-15 Alamodome, San Antonio, Texas Won The Ring World Featherweight Title.
    Win 37-2-1 Emmanuel Lucero KO 3 (12) 2003-07-26 Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California Retained IBF World Super Bantamweight Title.
    Win 36-2-1 Serikzhan Yeshmagambetov TKO 5 (10) 2003-03-15 Rizal Park, Manila, Metro Manila
    Win 35-2-1 Fahprakorb Rakkiatgym KO 1 (12) 2002-10-26 Rizal Memorial College Gym, Davao City Retained IBF World Super Bantamweight Title.
    Win 34-2-1 Jorge Eliecer Julio TKO 2 (12) 2002-06-08 The Pyramid, Memphis, Memphis Retained IBF World Super Bantamweight Title.
    Draw 33-2-1 Agapito Sánchez TD 6 (12) 2001-11-10 Bill Graham Civic Auditorium, San Francisco, California Retained IBF World Super Bantamweight Title. For WBO
    World Super Bantamweight Title. Bout stopped due to cut on Pacquiao's eye caused by headbutt.
    Win 33-2 Lehlohonolo Ledwaba TKO 6 (12) 2001-06-23 MGM Grand Garden Arena, Las Vegas, Nevada Won IBF World Super Bantamweight Title.
    Win 32-2 Wethya Sakmuangklang KO 6 (12) 2001-04-28 Kidapawan City, Cotabato Retained WBC International Super Bantamweight Title.
    Win 31-2 Tetsutora Senrima TKO 5 (12) 2001-02-24 Ynares Center, Antipolo City, Rizal Retained WBC International Super Bantamweight Title.
    Win 30-2 Nedal Hussein TKO 10 (12) 2000-10-14 Ynares Center, Antipolo City, Rizal Retained WBC International Super Bantamweight Title.
    Win 29-2 Seung-Kon Chae TKO 1 (12) 2000-06-28 Araneta Coliseum, Quezon City, Metro Manila Retained WBC International Super Bantamweight Title.
    Win 28-2 Arnel Barotillo KO 4 (12) 2000-03-04 Ninoy Aquino Stadium, Manila, Metro Manila Retained WBC International Super Bantamweight Title.
    Win 27-2 Reynante Jamili KO 2 (12) 1999-12-18 Elorde Sports Complex, Parañaque City, Metro Manila Won WBC International Super Bantamweight Title.
    Loss 26-2 Medgoen Singsurat KO 3 (12) 1999-09-17 Pakpanag Metropolitan Stadium, Nakhon Si Thammarat Lost Lineal World Flyweight Title. He was overweight at
    weigh-in, WBC World Flyweight Title was stripped.
    Win 26-1 Gabriel Mira TKO 4 (12) 1999-04-24 Araneta Coliseum, Quezon City, Metro Manila Retained Lineal & WBC World Flyweight Titles.
    Win 25-1 Todd Makelim TKO 3 (10) 1999-02-20 Kidapawan City, Cotabato A non-title fight. Fight at Super Flyweight
    Win 24-1 Chatchai Sasakul KO 8 (12) 1998-12-04 Tonsuk College Ground, Phutthamonthon Won Lineal & WBC World Flyweight Titles.
     
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