REVISED: Under 185lb Tournament, FINALS # 1 Rocky Marciano vs # 2 Jack Dempsey

Maybe it was a mistake while in the process of finally banning Frankenfrank

 

It wouldn't even last that long but at least the right man won.

 

It's interesting because we don't glamorize the writers and supposed experts of today. In fact, we often disparage their commentary or opinion. Where the writers so much better than to be some sort of end all be all? If we're to glamorize something, I think it should be the fighters and not the writers.

 

Was it the crudish and lame joke about Mae West,that got unforgiven banned ? Crude
and uncouth the joke might have been,it did not have racial insults about race as i have often seen by some posters. I hope that the powers that be, reconsider the lifetime ban
imposed upon unforgiven. He surely desrves another chance. What say you ?

 

It didn't happen arbitrarily. Those witnesses died off. Even the witnesses sons whose hero was Dempsey were beginning to die off. Now most tend to look at his record, which doesn't quite match up to the heap of first-hand reports. Nothing wrong with ranking Dempsey highly, unless you realize you're being unfair to more modern fighters with better records (Or at least admit it's not a ranking based on record.

 

It happens with Rocky quite a bit with casuals. Never so much about ducking or not fighting the best, just nitpicking who he fought and when in their careers which is something you can almost do to anyone. It will never happen in the way it does with Dempsey, though.

 

I'm responding to a banned poster now. Great.

 

Pete, Unforgiven CANNOT respond, but I can. Tell me who did Dempsey lose to in his prime ? Nada ! It is not only the "record" of a fighter that is seared on the mind of historians of his time,who sadly has died off. It is the unique attributes that Dempsey had in his prime that great boxing minds from a much, much busier age, held him in such high esteem. Once these experts,[and they WERE experts] slowly left the scene, naysayers
took over the forums and recent polls,have distorted Dempsey's TRUE place in history. Or for that matter my man JOE LOUIS. So P,i believe in what I have posted fervently based on what I have STUDIED in a long boxing
passion for the sport... Adios...:hi:

 

The same tired old litany. S, you can do better. The Dempsey that lost a 4 rd decision to Willie Meehan was just entering his prime. And Willie Meehan specialized in 4 rounders,cause he COULDN'T compete with a DEMPSEY in regulation 10-15 round bouts. Like a better , later Butterbean.
I have said this before, but it bears repeating . EVERY HEAVYWEIGHT great has been in some of their bouts BEHIND in a 4 round bout,fairly often. You know that in your biased heart S, as you are a smart man, I believe. But your revulsion towards Dempsey knows no end. EVERY mile champion runner is behind at some point in a mile race,when they finally catch up and finish first. You know that perfectly, but you bring up that tired bromide about Dempsey losing a 4 rd bout to a fat spoiler type,that made his reputation on going all out for 4 rounds. Dempsey of the Willard era in a regulation 15 round fight would have sent Meehan to the morgue. Everyone in boxing knew this, so S, try a better way to demean Dempsey.
Billy Conn was ahead of Louis, after 4 rds, Jersey Joe was ahead of Marciano after 4 rds, Randy Turpin was ahead of Robinson after 4 rounds,
S. You can do better than that. I think ?...

 

Correction : Meehan was leagues ahead of Butterbean...

 

Couldn't you say the same about Mike Tyson?

 

Well Tyson fought regularly until 1996 when he was 30 years old and was first stopped by Evander...Dempsey from his peak when he hooked up with Jack Kearns until his foolish 3 year Layoff in 1923, was unbeaten from Nov
1918 to Sept ,1923 when he kod Luis Firpo. So yes Tyson was Unbeaten until 1996 when Holyfield kod him. Dempsey was "kod" by his foolish 3 year layoff, going Hollywood and deflowering silent picture starlets...Hell who can blame him Pete ?
I am sure that the prime Mike Tyson had a better chance against Dempsey
than the slower punching, less accurate Marciano. Young Tyson was a
FAST powerful puncher,and I think posed a greater threat to Dempsey because Tyson though not as durable as Marciano,was a more accurate puncher...Style, style style...Cheers.