Burns V Katsidis who wins?

Katsidis via genocide within 3

 

Whos voted Burns by TKO?

 

Wiping out all the Scots would be an interesting way of winning the match.

 

Dunky, of course.

 

fair enough mate thats what this board is for.

how do you see it going or ending , we all katsidis is big power at this weight so do you see him stopping burns and if so what round

 

of course i want ricky to win but im only saying how and why i think ricky can win.

like wladimir k , i think like always katsidis has conducted himself very well and has gained many fans like me over the years.

it will be a cracking fight - styles make fights

 

Katsidis stopping Burns within 4 mate to be honest.

I dont believe Ricky ever had issues at Super Feather so cant see him being a bigger puncher at 135. I see Katsidis walking right through him akin to the way he did against Mitchell.

Anybody else mate i'd be rooting for Burns but I love Katsidis and to be honest Billy Nelson has kind of made me wish to see Burns KO'd just to stop him coming out with the drivel he does.

Shame really as I have all the respect in the world for Burns and i'd love to see the lad do well. Nelson's lost him a lot of fans on this forum so it seems

 

regarding the weight , ricky always said he made 130 quite easy so it was strange that he never fought broner , either he was lying and like he said it was killing him to make the weight or his management wanted him to move up to 135..nobody will never know.

he has to get respect for his first fight at 135..katsidis is a beast at this weight

if ricky wins...beating katsidis and martinez in just over a year is some going

 

Totally agree with all 3 points mate

 

I think they were concerned about Ricky having his head turned whilst being over in America..... the payday and so on.

If he'd beaten Broner in his backyard - which I'd have favoured him to do btw - there would have been plenty of options on the table for him over there at either 130 or 135lbs, which would have loosened Allegedly's control over him.

As it's been, Ricky was put on a bit of a milk run after the loss to Johanneson and improved out of sight, then the big win over Martinez catapulted him into the spotlight to a degree.

A string of **** poor defences and an opportunity like that comes up..... and they reject it?

Strange.

I did make a post after the Cook weigh-in that Ricky did look a little tight, only to be shot down in an instant by Billy, who then (probably under orders) states that he'd prefer Ricky at 135.

It's people's nature to be cynical, with Burns fighting bums for a year, then moves up at the first sign of anyone remotely threatening. Then they take this fight..... :huh

 

That’s fine, dude – but your analysis is based on things Ricky has never shown he can do and ignoring his tendencies. Look at the guys that beat Katsidis:

Casamayor – He’s an amazing counter-puncher with fight-changing power. He was taking a pounding for a lot of the fight, but he knew when to unleash his shots to turn the fight around.
Juan Diaz – An excellent volume-punching pressure fighter who kept Katsidis turning all night and it was competitive when Michael stepped on the gas later on.
Juan Manuel Marquez – One of the best guys of the last decade on a crazy Indian summer of a career. He had the power, the poise and the accuracy to stand with Katsidis and diminish his power. He got clocked and dropped in the early part of the fight and actually won the round otherwise. It was a brutal masterclass of controlled aggression and sharp combination and counter-punching.
Robert Guerrero – A taller, controlled boxer with decent pop, a good chin and good skills. Katsidis caught up with him briefly too before the referee, weirdly, warned him for low blows.

If your thinking is that Burns can do what Guerrero did, that’s not really likely. First, Ricky can’t help but engage, even against much smaller men. He likes to fight because his fundamentals aren’t good enough. Second, he has a decent jab, but no weight behind it – if he did guys like Evensen wouldn’t have been able to get inside. Third, he backs up in straight lines to get out of trouble – again and again, the crude Martinez was able to land on him as he did this.

There’s just not much basis to pick Ricky based on what we’ve seen from both men.

 

Katsidis via double penetration

 

Look lads, i want Ricky to win cos he's a Brit, plain and simple.....But i love Kats to bits (no homo) and anyone in their right mind can clearly judge that Kats is the clear clear winner by a country mile....

The only way Ricky can win this fight is if Kats has suddenly overnight lost 75% of his power and his drive, and we know that will not happen at this juncture...Other than that the only other way Ricky can win would be via a stoppage for a cut to Kats which wont happen imo.....

Ill be honest, I think it is a huge mismatch and I am going to the bookies on Friday night with a pocket full of notes and its all going on Kats to win via stoppage.

Simple as that.
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I've voted Burns pts in the poll but really my prediction is based on a few intangibles because in reality this is a style match up which heavily favours Katsidis. When the fight was announced, I held the same view as the majority of posters that the fight had a KO for the Aussie written all over it.

But it's the Guerrero fight which left doubts in my mind about what Kats has left. Before that fight I strongly fancied him and put quite a bit on him to get the W, mainly because I don't particularly rate the Ghost too much. But he was sloppy from the beginning and looked demoralised as he was countered to death throughout the 12 rounds. Now I understand that Burns doesn't have the same power as Guerrero but imo it was the accuracy of the Canadian which really troubled Katsidis.

And that's where I see similarities in Burns and Guerrero. Both have good punch variety and in fact I think Burns' may be even better considering he's a more effective body puncher than Guerrero. If Burns can control distance with the decent jab he has when fighting on the back foot, a key part of the fight obviously, and then follow it up with snappy uppercuts and body punches when Katsidis charges in I can see him taking this fight comfortably on points.

It's a decent enough theory but as with the Mitchell fight, someone who is probably quicker and perhaps has a better repertoire of punches than Burns, Katsidis can still always find a way to smother and fight toe to toe. So as I say my choice may not be too logical based on what we have already seen but I remain to be convinced as to how much Katsidis actually has left. If he hasn't deteriotated too much, he should win this likely by stoppage but I've been shocked by Ricky before so it wouldn't surprise me to see him pull off another upset here.

 

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Calafornian, you mean?

Anyways, not that it's all that related but I actually think that Guerrero gets very much underrated by many people on ESB. I believe critisism is warranted because he's never actually proved himself in one single division yet, he's merely got a series of, to be fair, pretty decent, wins that are scattered across three different divisions rather than in a solitary one.

I can acknowledge that in that respect he is deservedly chastised, but he seems to get written off a lot in terms of his abilities as a fighter, I think that's harsh on him, considering the body of wins he has amassed. Of course, most of it may be levelled against how highly others may rate him but Honorio, Litzau, Klassen, Escobedo and Katsidis are all wins of a relatively high standard, not to mention he won those fights clearly, much more clearly than other top fighters who had beaten those same opponents.

Don't get me wrong of course, he's not a pound for pound talent right now as some would believe, but the way he's going, he may not be far off. I think he'd prove it if he stayed at 135lbs, but I'm somewhat sceptical of what he'll acheive at light-welter, though he does have the frame to carry the weight effectively. I think he will/would beat Maidana - but that's mostly due to the fact I really don't rate Marcos - though I wouldn't fancy his chances against Khan or Bradley there.

I'm with you on this fight though, Katsidis took a pummelling from Guerrero and it's hard to say just how much he has fallen off, he battered Lozada but that's nothing to go off, Lozada's downright awful. One round aside he wasn't competitve against Guerrero, who probably only lost one round legitimately, ignoring Mora's dodgy deductions.

I really don't have that much of a prediction as a result, if we're operating in hindsight afterwards it's either going to be - in the case of a Burns win - Katsidis was shot or - in the case of a Katsidis win - Burns was never that good at all. What I do know is Katsidis will unquestionably get inside, it's a matter of how Burns deals with him and how well the Aussie can get his shots off. Guerrero could keep him off but Ricky won't, he did allow Evensen to get in quite regularly after all.

He's got to get some shots off before Katsidis does, that's for sure. He will land, a lot, he's just got to stop the converse from happening. If nothing else, Mikey still carries a dig, Burns is tough but I doubt he'll have the resistance to deal with the consistent left hooks that'll be launched in his direction(pending that they land, of course).