Help me design my next 10 week strength and conditioning program...

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  1. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Hi folks just want to try some new stuff without breaking too far out of my current routine... So some new exercise work out idea's will come in really handy.

    I'm pretty fit at the moment by my standards but want to get fitter and stronger. As i say, i've got a pretty good program I follow at the moment but having done it for a year i've lost motivation and needs some new challenges.

    The situation is this, I treat my conditioning as a completely seperate entitiy to boxing/mma/wrestling. Whatever my trainers to tell me to do there, I do regardless of what I have done earlier in the day. I know some days this will mean working a little above what is optimal but unfortunately my purses aren't manny pacquiao enough to garner a one to one S & C coach, plus boxing trainer, plust nutritionist etc etc....

    I'm currently stuck at or around 5 x 30kgs (per arm) on all my dumbell movements. These are snatch, one arm snatch, split snatch, push press, clean and bizarrely one chess press though think I can go a bit heavier on that one. I've been using the ross training infinate intesity diary as a template- this I could do with keeping the same as it fits in well with work/uni...

    So
    Monday: A very tough circuit (eg Magic 50, density day, work capacity 101), and a maximal challenge (eg farmers walk x 3)

    Tuesday: Sprints (eg 4 x 800m, 4 x 50m), Core work (eg, flag, v-ups, russian twist, turkish get ups etc etc)

    Wednesday: Strength training 4-5 rep work if that makes sense- if not i'll go further.

    Thursday: Circuits (eg. GPP #1), Core work

    Fridays: Longer runs eg 4-5km.. though this I don't usually do but will going forward.

    I have pretty much anything available to me in terms of equipment - but i'd like to keep it simple but fresh. Its going to be for the next ten weeks. So I want to plan the ten weeks before monday. I will probably fight during this ten week period but don't worry I will amend the program accordingly. Please help, So I can start monday....

    :think

    Maybe a few of the lads who fight could havea go at it, and see what the results are like.

    Thoughts? Idea's? Anything you guys do? Or don'?
     
  2. Johnboy2007

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    Jeff i use a similar template but just took ross trainings ideas and changed them up. Iv nearly finished 4 weeks on this "cycle" then have a back off week and change it up! The only thing i did start doing is swap his strength training stuff for more traditional 5x5 stuff as i didnt feel myself getting stronger with his stuff! And its by far my weakest point. I dont think i could do 10 week plans, i normally do 4 weeks and sometimes have to be fairly flexible in that!

    What im doing at the moment

    Day 1 Strength

    Squat 5x5
    Bench 5x5
    Deadlift 5x5
    Shoulder press 5x5
    Weighted Chins 5x5

    Core

    The flag x 5
    Weighted V-ups 10
    Weighted Twists 15
    Chinnies x 20

    done as circuit 4 times


    Day 2 Circuits

    Skip 10 mins

    Gpp Circuit 10 mins (30 second burpees, dumbell punches, bosun ball push ups and star jumps, 30 seconds each no break for 10 mins)

    Main Circuit

    1 minute each of

    Box Jumps
    Med Ball Rotational Slams
    Kettle Bell Clean and snatch
    Weighted Squat Walk
    Vipr Lateral Shuffle (would have to explain these)
    Rest 1 minute

    repeat 5 times!

    High Rep Ab work

    Sit Ups 50
    Leg Raises 50
    Trunk Curls 50
    Twists 50
    Scissor Kicks 50

    Finish with plank hold 2 mins

    Day 3 Interval Work

    Skip 10 mins

    Row 1000 m x 3 as fast as possible (aiming for under 4 mins)
    Versa Climber 3 x 3 min rounds
    Treadmill Intervals 6 x 1 minute sprints 1 minute rest between

    Core Work Out

    Ab wheel from standing x 5 (x 10 from kneeling)
    Side Bends 6-10 each side
    V-Ups weighted x 10
    Bicycle Crunch x 14

    as circuit 4 times

    Day 4 Strength

    Squat 5x5
    Dumbbell Bench 5x5
    Calf raises 60kg 8x5
    Barbell Row 5x5
    Overhead Press 5x5

    Core / ab

    Sit ups 50
    Leg raises 50
    trunk curls 50
    twist 6kg 50
    scissor kicks 50
    Back Extensions 10kg 12 x 4 sets

    Day 5 Sprints

    This day i focus on sprints however depending how i feel i throw in other stuff. This is exactly what i did last time on the "sprints" Day

    Skipping 10 mins

    Row 10 mins

    Punch bag 15 mins (working on technique and drills)

    Sprint and Carry Bag 3mins work, 1 min rest, 2mins work, 30 seconds rest, 1min work . (using the heavy bag, sprint to one end of the room and back then carry bag to one end of room and back!)

    Heavy bag shouldering 3 mins x 1 (exactly what it sounds lift the bag to shoulder put back down repeat constantly for 3mins)

    Sprints x 20 ( roughly 50m jog quickly back to the start)

    Chin Ups 12 x 4

    Decline Push Ups 25 x 4


    Core


    Plank Hold 1 minute
    Turkish Get Ups 10kg
    Chinnies 20 x 3

    as circuit 4 times



    Sorry for being so long winded for me i just copy and pasted from my records lol! (yes im that sad)

    Iv found a mixture of ross trainings stuff, and other stuff has worked best. Like i said will be changing it up after 1 more week. But it will probably be the same basic template just different exercises!

    I also want to explore strength training more but only once i have a good basic strength foundation as im weak as ****!

    And also need to get back into the flexibility stuff as iv woken up with a bad back this morning :oops:

    Hope it helps

    P.s the versa climber is amazing if you have access to one!

    this is the link to vipr http://www.viprfit.com/ i must admit they look like the latest fad and quick fix but as a piece of equipment iv found them pretty useful!!
     
  3. brown bomber

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    looks pretty good john boy- going to get a few idea's andbang them together- like the multi machine circuit. That might be something.

    What thought processes go through your head when devising a circuit- what boxes are you looking to tick?
     
  4. Johnboy2007

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    circuit wise jeff it depends what im aiming for really.

    The one im doing at the moment is quite strength endurance based and focusing on my legs. I feel on that day iv done the conditioning by the skipping and the mini gpp 10 min workout. So the next circuit is longer intervals (a minute at a time) and focusing more on getting that muscular endurance up especially in the legs for example squat walks with a 12-15kg vipr on your back.

    However even then i like to have something that is still conditioning/ anaerobic heavy. So i feel iv i put something in like box jumps. Only a low step but getting them out as fast as possible im covering that element as well.

    Iv also found using a heavyish 8kg medball and doing slams in a rotational motion your getting a great conditioning and core work out similar to sledge hammer and tire drills! Probably not quite as effective but not bad if you havnt got access to that equipment!

    Also yourself and others might not agree im not sure but i like small circuits. I dont put too many exercises in the circuit! Id rather do 4-5 good quality exercises 5 times than 10 different exercises 3 times and not doing them aswell. Just my personal opinion really no real scientific basis just feels it works for me better.
     
  5. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    great stuff John we're def on the same wavelength.
     
  6. Johnboy2007

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    yeh i reckon mate which is good for me too hear you being infinitely more qualified than me and a pro fighter means im on the right sort of track at least and considering the direction i want to go in and train others!

    my training is far from perfect and im learning as much as possible all the time but i think it covers most aspects i need.

    The structure doesnt change much i just find i need to tweak things every so often. If nothing else it stops boredom setting. If it aint broke i guess!:D

    I also found adding boxing sessions ontop of the training i already do like yourself ,really took my fitness to the next level. The other week my trainer commented and said you found that easy didnt you, i politely said yes to be honest and iv already done an interval session today. Its a good feeling when you get to that level, taken me along time and many mistakes lol :lol:


    Just out of interest Jeff do you find you have to change up your training drastically for a fight or do you just add more boxing technical sessions to your training? Not that ill have the dilemma of fighting Pro just curious
     
  7. brown bomber

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    Ideally we tend to add more sparring and do other conditioning. I can only get over to kev maree 2-3 times max a week. So while Kenny is doing maybe 10 sessions a week there- i'm doing 2-3. I graft my nuts off and in a recent chat with a truely great trainer I perhaps found a few little idea's how to tweek my training.

    You can actually periodise your boxing training and a lot of good trainers do this. Kevin does this, bobby rimmer does, billy graham did. So we tend to periodise (for me at least) the sparring and the pads/ bar bag... we do other bits and bobs mainly working on skill work once i'm fit enough. Though i'm currently going through a bit of a style change so doing a bit more skill stuff at the moment.
     
  8. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Love the likes of lefty, windingo, scrap, mr small, virus to give me some input too
     
  9. Johnboy2007

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    thanks for the info jeff, good luck with your training and your next fight, look forward to hearing more about it!
     
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    What does your strength training consist of?

    It's probably a better idea to do your strength training on monday when you're fresh.
     
  12. MrSmall

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    You fancy sorting a session with me in Ashton under Lyne (just outside Manchester)? We can go over some things and set you up right, its a bit **** to just tell you what to do, at your level, over the internet, without knowing many other details. As you know I would gladly do this properly for you and put some proper thought into it, but I'll need some more info from you Jeff my man!

    It'll depend on your priorities, first and foremost. Don't just hammer some bull**** for 10 weeks - a strength guy will tell you you need more strength work, a fitness based guy will tell you you need more conditioning work. What do YOU think you need? You are stalling on your strength program, that needs sorting also.
     
  13. lefty

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    That's some pretty heavy training Jeff. Good on you if you can handle that.
    If it was me? I'd drop the core training on Tuesdays if strength was the next day and I wanted to improve that.
    I'd actually do less of everything, especially since you'll be fighting soon. It's a lot easier to maintan fitness than improve fitness, I wouldn't have the circuit training at this point. I'd be doing a high quality plyometric session in place of those.
    I guess it all depends on what you think you can improve and what you want to improve... General strength, explosiveness etc. or your boxing?
    It would be great to improve everything at once which a newish athlete can do but with somebody like you gains are going to be small because you're obviously already experienced and well trained in all those areas.
    I'd be looking at quality over quantity and prioritising. Since you've got a bout soon I think the focus should be on making your boxing sessions all they can be by walking in the gym as a fresher athlete.
     
  14. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    That might be an idea- id be interested in this definately
     
  15. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    That makes sense will move it