Q: How can Don Dunphy claim Louis & Marciano were better than Ali??

I've resorted to turning the volume off for any fight Max Kellerman is analyzing. I can do without Buffers halfhour intros also. Thats todays boxing, all hype and very little substance. What are the odds that the next "big" fight ends with one fighter lying on the mat trying to fake his way to a d.q. win? I'd say at least 50/50.

 

Nostalgia. Don was clinging onto the age that he loved. Understanderble.

 

Louis & Marciano dominated their eras in boxing. Head to head they'd both be demolished by Ali.

 

Oh,so now the thought police is going to deny the opinion of a fine boxing expert who saw Dempsey,Ali, Louis, and Frazier ? I would speak to the late Don Dunphy occasionally,and he was a fine modest gentleman, and forgive me for saying this, knew just a tad more than you do Mr Bill.
P.S. Ali would not have had to put up a life or death struggle against
a Joe Louis. He would be put in la la land ,after one or two Louis combinations. Cheers...

 

JL how dare U disagree with today's thought police,who think that Boxing started with television ,and there was no decent heavyweight prior to the self anointed Clay/Ali .?:good

 

...Why...maybe because he saw Louis and Marciano and Ali in person...in their primes...and maybe he's right...

 

Hello Burt. Among 75% (at least) of us hardcore boxing fans,Muhammad Ali and Joe Louis are ranked the top two heavyweights of all time. The only real debate is to who was number one and who was number two. Taking this into account,in a hypothetical fight between the two,I cannot see one beating the other with a mere one or two combinations. It would be a bout full of twists and turns,with the winner going down to the wire to obtain it. After the dust settles,I feel that Muhammad would emerge triumphant.

A lot of this is obviously just speculation,and I could quite understand a case being put forward for Louis to win. This is the fun of debate,is n't it ? Ali,Louis,Marciano,Dempsey,Johnson et al. All were great in their own way,and a credit to the noble art of boxing.

 

Or after for that matter. Saint Clay-Ali. Bwahahaha!

 

I'm an Ali fan through and through,but I certainly don't see him as a saint. He never pertained to be one.

 

Hya Stevie, I have no grievance against fans of Ali who ridicule people like myself for picking a Dempsey, Louis to beat Clay/Ali H2H at their respective bests. Of course it is possible , but for some Ali fanatics to put down a Don Dunphy,for choosing them over Ali,as someone who is to be belittled, as I am, for that matter, is the height of arrogance,IMO. Not implying you Stevie. I will say this once more. I think boxing folks who saw the fighters we are discussing RINGSIDE, have a better sense of the true capability's of a Dempsey, a Louis etc, than today's so called television
afficionados. And I see from a long time watching boxing, that a young
lithe and speedy Dempsey with great power,tough defense for a jabber to hit,and a fighter who seldom ever cut,would be hell for an Ali who had more trouble with speedy fighters than big heavy punching plodders.A Jack Dempsey was twice the puncher and much stronger than a Doug Jones, Henry Cooper, who both caused big problems for Ali.
And finally ,my guy Joe Louis is not remotely appreciated for the killing puncher,with blazing handspeed, unparalleled leveraged combinations,
by today's average poster. No way I see any version of Ali lasting 15 rounds with the young Brown Bomber,who those halycon days struck fear in
the HW division. As Louis once famously said about an opponent,who could also scoot around, "he can run, but he can't hide". And so with Ali.
My honest thoughts S.... Have a good day.:hi:

 

I certainly respect your point about seeing these guys from ringside,Burt. How I wish I had a time machine sometimes....! I'd have gone back to see Ali,Louis,Marciano......the lot.

Have a good day too.

 

everyone favors the generation they love over the next, regardless of who is greater.

 

Don Dunphy was a knowledgeable man and he actually saw these guys fight in living color not black and white film. I respect his opinion. Don was a modest man but unlike a lot of these announcers today Don knew the game and styles make fights. Ali would have a very tough fight on his hands with Louis or Marciano and If I had to bet I may bet on Louis and Marciano to beat him. Marciano was relentless but had 2 hands that could level you, Joe Louis had so many combinations that you could say he had 3 hands to level you. Louis and Marciano do not fit into the mode of Liston or Foreman....Frazier had more of the Louis/Marciano mindset but Frazier peaked in the FOTC and went downhill from there

 

Your right B. Right after the night I'll always remember,the FOTC, Joe Frazier surely went downhill. He lost the tautness he once had and
flexibility,he once possessed. It happens to most fighters, but some more quickly than others..But BD, you cannot reason with people who have a closed mind, I have found. Someone once wrote,There is none so blind as people who have eyes,and do not see ".

 

I sometimes do the same. In fact I generally much prefer to listen to fight broadcasts in a foreign language that I can't understand than listen to the babbling assholes on American tv, Kellerman, of course, being the worst of the bad lot.