Who would have beat Ezzard Charles at LHW?

Exactly we don't know :good so I say noone is above 50% against him, you disagree, but none of us know :good

If the opposition of his era is not good enough to expose a mystical flaw, you think might or might not exist, i'd assume the flaw doesn't exist.

You can do whatever you'd like; i'd just ask you can rationalise and remain consistent in the interest of good debating :good

Jones fought in his era. Simple as. I don't believe in holding one era above another. Do other greats from the division have better resumes? Sure, but you have to be great to rule a division regardless of those competing in it.

Overall I can't say how I rate him as i'm going through a mass overhaul of my rankings (up to levinsky at the moment in terms of resume analysis so i'm a few week away from jones) I can safely say, however, jones is the man I pick as h2h don in the division.

 

Sure, we don´t, so we have to go by what was actually happening. :thumbsup

We saw those flaws/weaknesses once he slowed, it´s not as they aren´t there to see for everybody.

A pity

I agree with all of that. But I think that there is a difference at the very top of the divisions in different eras. Or are you saying a division with Jones and DM as top dogs is as good as one with Tunney, Loughran, Greb, Delaney and Rosenbloom? I hope not.

Picking someone who never proved himself over a certain level of fighters over fighters who did is not very rational. nono That´s all I´m saying. Look a few posts further, giving him a good chance against anyone, I´d agree, he has. But saying he is at least 50/50 and the h2h king ... that´s over the top.

 

Well it looks like I'm pretty much alone here but for my money the stylistic nightmare for Charles is Harry Greb. A swarmer that is iron chinned and has a high workrate is very hard to outpoint... It would be an ugly fight and Charles will have a hard time looking good enough to win ENOUGH rounds. This is just my opinion, I could be wrong. But some of you will have to convince me of that.:hey

 

Yes and what happened was a domination of an era :good

You say flaw I say age.

No I believe only a great can rule an era

Nah he's sensational and i'm not putting him an underdog v anyone

 

Well, this starts turning in circles ... bottom line: I am right, you are wrong.

 

Are you saying you've discovered time machine technology and have actually pitted all these greats together in a huge round robin tournament!

 

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Not many that's for sure ... maybe Tunney or Langford. He pretty much edged Moore every time and that's a hell of an accomplishment ... Foster is always so dangerous but I don't know ...

 

Any LH in history would have ahard time with Bob Foster. He was 6' 3" and a tremendous puncher. I see him and Charles being a very close match.

 

Langford and Tunney.

 

I'd favour Charles heavily to beat Jones.

 

Gene Tunney only lost once, to one of the greatest p4p fighters (some say greatest) in boxing history & he returned the favour multiple times, bad footage aside, by all accounts Tunney was an incredible boxer & he would be my pick to beat Charles... not saying I WOULD pick him but he would have the best chance IMO.

 

Roy is hard to handle with his hand speed and power, but Charles was very fast at light heavy and may have been a harder puncher than Jones and beat better fighters. I can see why anybody would favor Charles over Jones.

 

Aye, I also think stylistically Charles has the best of it.

Basically just leaves Spinks as the best chance IMO, and even then Id favour Charles

 

V, Greb most likely would decision the bigger Ezzard Charles, as Ken Overlin,who was called " the poor man's Harry Greb" beat Ezzard in 1941.
Why not Greb who was much superior to Ken Overlin. Speed kills, and no one equaled the Iron City Express...What fighter in history could fight 35-45 fights a YEAR,for a total of 300 bouts and still maintain his amazing speed and stamina ? Answer NO ONE, but Harry Greb. And the Billy Conn who almost beat the 200lb Joe Louis, had a helluva chance to beat Charles.
And Billy Conn was no Harry Greb, as every Pittsburgh historian claimed...:good