floyd and his team say they want the pacman on may 5th 2012

Have people watched Margarito-Garcia? He looked utterly shot, terrible, terrible performance in his only fight in between Mosley and Pacquiao. Unless you put enormous credence in such a mass size difference I don't know how it's an 8/10.

 

Nah, I reckon Floyd'll probably win anyway.

Okay, on Hatton then, the Collazo fight was still telling either way, and it's not a case of him not being a small Welter, it's a case of his whole style being so complimented by the fact he could maul the 140lb fighters. Floyd may not be a big Welterweight by todays standards, but in any other era he'd be the perfect natural Welterweight. In many other eras, Hatton would not be the Light Welterweight champ, he'd be a Welter, or possibly a Middle, and not a good one. He was helped by the 24 hours to gain a strength advantage, against Floyd this was not an issue and he was rendered completely ineffective. I gave him the first round only.

Still, he was well-regarded at the time, and a solid champion in the division below nonetheless. Those things are absolute truths, so it was a very good win for Floyd nonetheless.

 

Yeah, he looked crap, but he didn't look crap in the fight with Pac'.

Before people say 'datz coz Pacroid is shite :rofl ' etc etc, take John Conteh against Matthew Saad Muhammad. Coming off the worst performance of any given fighters career against a journeyman and well past his physical prime, into a great performance against the no.1 in his divison.

Not on that level obviously (that's a 9/10 anyway :yep) but a near shutout, coming through some hard digs and ****ing battering him in a punch perfect performance, it's a good win. He let the big guy hit him. Margarito was very highly regarded not that long ago. Either Pac is a physical freak complimented by 'roids or he's a ***** because a featherfisted no handwrap Margo' hurt him I guess, but for me Margarito still looked decent in that fight when he got his licks in, and he is obviously still one of the most durable fighters in the sport, so he hasn't lost all of his strength.

Maybe it should be a 7/10, for me Pac beat a big, big guy. Hardly Benitez-Palomino though is it? :deal

 

Yeah, but at some point fighters should cease to be highly regarded due to performances they have recently put in, and if he was still highly regarded after the spunktacular, wonderful, heroic, brutalisation dished out by Mosley then he should really have stopped being rated so highly after the Garcia fight.

He wasn't a fighter who was highly rated, he wasn't a fighter coming off any kind of decent performance, I just don't rate him that highly. It's an admirable victory for Pacquiao, due to size and the fact he dominated, but I don't believe it to be that good of a victory. The only reason it should be regarded highly is because of the size disparity and relentlessness of his opponent, because the quality of the opponent was really lacking.

A 7 for me, I'd reserve 8's for wins over better fighters.

 

You feel rather silly now dont you, what happened to "oh im at work wait till i get home and own you", well words of that effect.

Anyway I know you now see the differences I was alluding to in my previous posts.

Also the scores out of ten that you gave dont mean **** all. Yes its your opinion but i laid down solid facts not what I thought, again i know you understand the differences.

Also the fact that he could have done more against marquez but didnt shows how talented floyd is, the guy never struggled but played with jmm like a cat plays with a mouse.

 

Oh, for ****s sake, you again

As I alluded to in my earlier post, I have been round-and-round on this for ****in' ages, and you bring literally nothing to the table but the usual **** that always gets brought up.

The above was not a response to you nipper, I was merely conversing with Dan and Rhino. I feel silly? Really?

I was at work. I came home, had a joint and watched Sumbu Kalambay school Iran Barkley. Forgive me for not having time to cuss you.

My ratings mean **** all, yes, that's true, but as previously stated was in no way intended as a response to you. Your spiel is also completely one way traffic and seems boxrec-based. There is literally no point is going through this again, I said I was gonna' calm down this year and I am, I have no want to get into a slanging match with a ******ed noob such as yourself.

The JMM fight; cat-and-mouse is a poor showing IMO. In fact, Pac has been guilty of this as well, but at least he's beat the **** out of 'em first before he lets off the gas (and in fact he did that in the Margarito fight, so yes it was not a punch-perfect performance I take that back, thanks for reminding me) but the JMM fight; it just showed me how negative a fighter Floyd can be. This is the first fight between Pac-JMM that won't be fought on even terms IMO, the first two just showed that OHMYGOD just like De Jesus and Duran (easiest shorthand) a great fighter found his nemesis atsch All the Floyd and Pac showings against Marquez show us is 'styles make fights'. Pac has a chance to show what he can do without being drained against JMM, I imagine if he drops him early again he'll finish him this time THIS LAST SENTENCE HAS NO BEARING ON EITHER RATING OF FLOYD OR PAC IT'S JUST A HYPOTHESIS YOU MONG

Do one, or if you wish to continue talking boxing with me, engage me on any other subject. This one is boring, extremely, extremely boring.

Shaunster summed it up so well I didn't even need to rant, so I apologise for that :good

But as for this debate, there is no right and wrong, there's this side or that side. But from now on I'm here to talk boxing, not Hollyoaks. And this era doesn't really interest me to be frank with you, it's poor.

 

This is completely fair, and in hindsight, what with Pac letting off the gas late and not finishing Margo', it isn't an 8/10 win, but a very, very good performance. I won't edit the original post to try and look clever, but I'll concede to you my good man :good

 

Ok mate I get bored of this **** to but another day eh :hey

Dont always take things to heart, I let you off a little easy. be thankful

 

Ditto.

 

Pac has wins over the guys PBF never wanted to get in with like Cotto and Margs ,with reasoning Flea has already alluded to. For me that says more about PBF than Pac, he dont want this fight it's that simple. He has done this to get the limelight, he will ask for 60/40 purse or summat to throw the chances of the fight happening when the fight becomes close to a reality.

I think Pac wins because he will catch Floyd in the fight and has enough to follow it up in speed, power and stamina throughout the fight where your Mosley's didn't. I can genuinely see pPac getting the ko, Floyd isn't as quick as he was 4-6 years ago and I think he is hitable and Pac thros that many he will hit. I also can't see PBF beating Pac by ko, I also believe the judges would give Pac the points win for sheer agression anyways i.e PBF v ODLH, where ODLH was losing by 4 rounds on my card yet got an sd just for agression.

 

Oh, yeah, take a look at this guy Spud. You'll like him I reckon.

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Whats with all the marks out of 10 Flea? Pac's record is vastly superior, hardly needs debating. Cotto and Margarito are names Floyd should have fought years ago and never did for a start and Pacquiao gave them an absolute hiding. Don't even need to get into the great Mexicans Pac beat.

 

I didn't get into the Mexicans, or Sasakul :yep I was just replying to Spearmint Rhino, who did the same thing :good

 

I think I'm one of the only people who thought Floyd-Marquez was a very good performance by Floyd

I know it wasnt a level playing field & Marquez looked sluggish at the new weight, but Floyd completely schooled a top p4p guy. He made a great fighter look like an amatuer & won every round & made it look effortless. He could've taken JMM out had he put the pressure on anytime after the 2nd but he didnt. Was that a choice or down to a lack of ability to do so?

Coming off a significant lay-off with no tune-up, very good show by Floyd imo