Carl Thompson: James Toney would beat Chris Eubank

Nigel and G-man were made to order for Toney. The reason is they both put everything into every shot and Toney really liked that because he stayed so calm under the gun, never flinched and countered when they over committed. I think Toney would've had a field day with McClellen. Gerald tried to knock your head with EVERY right hand he threw and Toney counters against a right hand as effectively as anybody in the history of the sport. G-man also had poor stamina and Toney always fought extremely well under fatigue. He was a master of coming on in the championship rounds because he is such a natural fighter and fought so relaxed. Look at some of the fighters he stopped or hurt late in fights, Nunn, McCallum, Prince Williams, Jirov etc. Benn and McClellen were not cute enough, they layed it all on the table and got hit really clean with counters, especially G-man, who just went straight back. I think Toney on his best night would've had his way with both of those warriors.

 

"It sounds like people don't even remember Benn's peak."

 

:good

 

I think people remember Benn's peak, he was an animal but its just a very clear stylistic advantage thats hard to look past in favor of James Toney. He's not going to blast Toney out, its just not happening. Toney is going to frustrate him with his upper body movement when Benn's on his chest, he's going to counter him, he's not going to let Benn hit him clean often and he'll take the steam out of Benn eventually. Benn would be broken down - down the stretch.

Whoever suggested Toney would beat Hopkins is very wrong though IMO, I'd favor Bernard strongly in that one.

 

Who did Bernard Hopkins beat during his middleweight run..? He fought Robert Allen about 15 times, and some other shady blacks.

Oscar De La Hoya..? A fat welterweight.
Felix Trinidad.....? Another good welterweight.

He never really fought a great middleweight fighter, his greatest wins are pumped up smaller fighters.

His middleweight run was overrated in terms of who he beat, fair enough he had 20-21 defences, but so what..?

Chris Eubank had 20-21 unbeaten consecutive Championship fights over Middleweight and Super-middle.

And he beat...

Nigel Benn & Michael Watson.

These two fighters would beat the **** out of Bernard Hopkins best wins. Oscar De La Hoya..? And Felix Trinidad have no chance up against Nigel Benn and Michael Waston.

Face it mate, Bernard Hopkins is a good fighter, who has made smart opportunistic moves, and credit to him. Inside the ring, in my opinion.........on raw ability and on achievements, if you really sit down and break it down technically.

"He is not a great fighter, the word great gets abused"

 

lucky don king never promoted toney.

got a copyright strike from him yesterday.

that video would be no more right now. :yep

 

James Toney beats Chris Eubank and Nigel Benn,but Benn would be a tougher nut to crack.Toney like he did with Roy Jones would hold his chin out and with powershots like Benn he would deck him.There`s no "distroying" of any fighters here but Toney outpoints them both,probably though tkos Benn late on due to his attacking when hurt and open guard.

 

Benn wasn't as fast, tricky or skilled as Jones. Jones never put a hurting on Toney, he just pecked away at him over the 12 and barely let him in the fight. I haven't watched that fight in ages, because it was absolutely tedious. Toney couldn't and Jones wouldn't.

But Toney ate guys like Benn up. If you moved, jabbed a lot and used angles, Toney could look ponderous and inactive. If you went at him with aggression he would punish you. Benn was chinny and had a porous defence, especially when he was on the attack. Toney was a sublime counter-puncher (look at the right hands he threw even past-prime and juiced up against John Ruiz) with genuine power at 160 and 168.

Trust me, Toney would have destroyed Benn. He's just miles and miles above the guy.

 

Not sure about the Benn was chinney part... But yes, Toney would have a field day and maybe stop Benn.

The only reason Benn may seem chinney to a few people was because his style was so open and wild he could be hit flush and would get hit often. If he was chinney in the sense he couldn't take a punch, he wouldn't have beaten the guys he beat. Even Toney been knocked down by reggie Johnson in his first defence after Nunn. It's the ones you don't see that hurt most, and if Benn was as cautious as others he wouldn't have been rocked as much as he was.

 

:twisted:

Rocky would swarm all over & beat the **** out of Toney,

 

Benn had shaky whiskers - he was a tough guy and recovered well, but still I think he was always a bit chinny. It took a lot to finish him off, no doubt, but Toney was fierce and precise at that stage in his career. I could see him getting rattled throughout and then Toney stepping on the gas and taking Benn out around the ninth.

 

More to the point, what the **** is that around McCrory's neck!

 

name one who rocky beat that was not old or a ex light heavy or middle.

Toney would stop him

 

:huh Benn developed an excellent defense & head movement.

 

Had great head movement and could slip punches. But wouldn't say he had excellent defense. And like I said, no way he was chinny in the sense Kirkland is chinny. Benn could take punches from huge punchers, but is overall fighting method led him to be floored more often than those more cautious guys.

Look at Hopkins recently against Pascal who had him more hurt than we seen in a long time. The more your willing to get hit, the more likely youre going to hit the canvas - not what I'd call chinny... Just more open or less cautious.