Does James Toney now have a legitimate claim to the GREATEST CHIN in boxing history?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by horst, Nov 6, 2011.


  1. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

    28,760
    84
    May 30, 2009
    :lol:

    Had to be done.
     
  2. ???

    ??? Active Member Full Member

    1,144
    0
    Dec 8, 2008
    Maybe if you limit chin to very specific criteria. I'm evaluating more than simply avoiding being knocked unconscious, or put on ***** street.

    Sure there are examples of fighters with good or bad beards and differing after effects of their boxing careers. And there may be no reliable way to predict who will suffer damage. My point is that regardless of whether or not a fighter has a sturdy chin or not, slurred speech indicates neurological damage. I think it's fairly safe to assume James wouldn't speak the way he does now if he hadn't been boxing. So though he was incredibly durable in the ring, there was a price being paid.

    I think a fighter who is able to take monstrous shots to the head without being ko'd and also avoid signs of neuro damage afterwards has demonstrated a sturdier constitution. For whatever reason, their brain/body was able to take the abuse better. Suppose you have two fighters that are subjected to the same powerful blows to the upper arms. One fighter suffers stress fractures due to the blows. Even if both never appeared to be hurt by the punches, wouldn't it be reasonable to say that the fighter that didn't have any fractures has a more solid frame?
     
  3. Zombieguy

    Zombieguy Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,989
    1
    Feb 6, 2011
    Yep. Say what you will about his skills or resume but his chin ranks up there with the best of them.
     
  4. Peppermint

    Peppermint Boxing Junkie Full Member

    8,014
    18
    Sep 7, 2010
    Haha no. Great defense. He has a great chin, but guys who get hit flush more like McCall or Marion Wilson would have more of a claim than JT. Hes top 100 though
     
  5. timeout

    timeout Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    18,718
    3,533
    Jun 15, 2010
    Greatest chin my ass

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBQKIbscchk[/ame]

    check.

    Vital chin > Toney anyday.
     
  6. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

    31,154
    2,108
    Jul 24, 2004
    James Toney was no cruiserweight. Toney had rolls of fat on him at that weight.
     
  7. Jordan_Davies

    Jordan_Davies Boxing Junkie Full Member

    8,502
    0
    Jul 28, 2011
    Oh yes :hey

    on a more serious note, Toney had an okish chin until he started with the PEDs. rating Toneys chin past light heavyweight is like rating Margaritos punching power with his special pads
     
  8. timagen

    timagen Guest

    One of the best ever, but the greatest has to go to either Hagler or McCall.

    This content is protected

    This content is protected
     
  9. sadlittleboy

    sadlittleboy Boxing Junkie Full Member

    8,792
    0
    Mar 12, 2009
    Gerry Penalosa ALWAYS gets forgotten from this sort of argument. Went the distance with Ponce De Leon and WOULD have gone the distance with Juanma if Roach didn't pull him out.

    How about Pete Sanstol?
     
  10. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

    12,028
    106
    Jun 30, 2008
    Wouldn't go that far, but he's definitely up there. Over 80 fights from Middleweight to Heavyweight over a 24 year career and I don't think he was ever seriously hurt. Stunned a few times, but not really hurt.
     
  11. samita

    samita El Temible Full Member

    1,982
    0
    Aug 19, 2005
    if we implement a chin test by lining up boxers to see who'd eat the most amount of say tua's left hooks flush, i think chuvalo would win hands down.

    lots of people exhibit great chins but we only see them get hit flush here and there due to their defence. chuvalo had 0 defence and didn't even get knocked down even though he faced his fair share of hard hitting heavyweights including foreman whose the one of the hardest (if not the hardest) hitting heavyweights of all time.
     
  12. DavidChao

    DavidChao A contender,.. a somebody Full Member

    1,224
    0
    Sep 19, 2009
    Erm, Jones articulates better than Toney. He also carries himself better, and is more witty.
     
  13. horst

    horst Guest

    This was the most hurt Toney has ever been in an 85-fight, 23-year career, a good portion of which was spent as a fat, old man facing men who were naturally far bigger than him.

    Fail.
     
  14. horst

    horst Guest

    How can a 5ft 9in man who has a lot of clearly visible bodyfat as a cruiser be a natural cruiser? That doesn't make sense. Toney functioned very effectively as a middleweight where he chose to win his first world title, then moved up to supermiddle to remove any weight cut, and then after he lost to Roy and seemed to lose his motivation/discipline, he started jumping weights. The fully motivated and disciplined Toney was a middle and a supermiddle. If he'd kept his dedication, he could've stayed there, much like B-Hop was able to stay at middle for so long (and Bernard was naturally bigger than James). Look at Toney's frame, that was never the frame of a natural cruiserweight, he always had the dimensions of a middle/supermiddle.
     
  15. horst

    horst Guest

    Silence ***. Toney had never been close to being stopped even before he went to heavyweight, despite taking the best shots of Roy Jones, Iran Barkley, Mike McCallum, Vassily Jirov, Michael Nunn, Prince Charles Williams, Merqui Sosa, etc etc.