How would you rate Masao Ohba?

**** Pacman, Ohba is the 2nd greatest asian fighter of all time

 

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Flea Man, I know we've conversed on this before, but have you seen anything at all on the Borkorsor-Fernando Cabanela fight? This fight put Venice at the forefront of the division and was the natural challenger to Betulio Gonzalez. The fight in late '72 early '73 was not Ohba-Canto, it was Ohba-Borkorsor. There would be hell to pay in a fight like that and I would be leaning very strongly to Borkorsor, but in a great fight. Anything you can tell me on Borkorsor-Cabanela would be great.

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Right, I'll look into that mate as it's something I'm interested in too and it's shameful I forgot. :good

Borkhorsor info' is my main priority in Thailand in February. At least I've found out what his name means at least

And yes, would've been a great fight but what do you know of Borkhorsors reputation in his time? Was he featured much in magazines or whatnot, can't find anything at the mo' :good

He really battered Betulio. Scary stuff by the sounds of it.

 

Great offensive talent, with superior mettle and stamina to match.

His defense was pretty garbage though, and if you were tough enough to stay the course, like a Betulio Gonzalez was for instance, you could get plenty of your own shots in and possibly nick a decision (I thought Betulio edged him). He'd never be the type to be dominated in a fight though.

He did seem vulnerable early, but it was more in a Tito, JMM sense imo, where it was more a matter of stinging him into action, rather than a real threat of him being stopped early.

Regarding a match with Miguel Canto, it would be tough for Canto to overcome the height/reach and punching prowess of Ohba, but I wouldn't write the hit-and-not-get-hit maestro out, especially since his resilience was pretty good and beating taller fighters was run of the mill for him.

 

Ouch, i think it's harsh saying his defence was garbage.I don't see it as any worse than a considerable number of other sophisiticated A level boxer-punchers.I'd say more average\slightly below average by those standards.better than a Louis and about on par with a sal sanchez.Clearly better than guys like Morales, MArquez saijo or Tito.

He was certainly in the category of boxer-punchers that didn't put tighening defence up at the top of the agenda when in with someone who was getting to him, though.quite happy to just trade and step up the offense.

 

Flea, I have some pretty decent writeups on his bouts with Sallvarria and Guerrero. I saw Sallvarria against Halimi Gutierrez and he was a toughie, but Borkorsor, it was said in the writeup, pretty much whitewashed him over 15. As for Julio Guerrero, he was a 118 lb. Bob Satterfield, with punch and jaw to match. And Borkorsor battered him from pillar to post. I have always been intrigued with his dominance at 112. But he must have been really struggling to make that weight.

 

Salavarria's fight with Susumu Hanagata is up on Youtube for anyone that wants to see him in action. Excellent technician. Excellent technical match-up in general, actually.

 

Yeah, I f'n would, thanks :good

Another guy Bus Station beat :hey

 

Salavarria threw great looking punches, especially those uppercuts to the body.

 

Hmm, maybe I'm going too much off memory, but Ohba didn't strike me as having a better D than a Tito. I'll have to give his fights another look some time soon.

 

I probably should as well, mind you.

Tito's defence was always genuinely outright poor for a boxer-puncher of his level though imo.It's not that i'd expect a seek and destroy box-fighter to have slick upperbody stylings or top-notch blocking\parrying, but often Tito seemed to need to be up against a Thiam or Campas type shuffling punching to even show basic defensive footwork and sense of distance.Against sharper punchers he'd just walk straight in relying on a mostly fixed guard.

It's been a while since i watched much of his earlier Welter days though.It's not hard to remember he was more patient and well-rounded offensively then, but maybe i am selling him slightly short defensively.

Ohba was no wizard either, but he had especially well educated feet.Ability to turn fighters, use lots of little half-steps and the traditional 10 and 2 o'clock angles of escape after punching put him on a higher level right away imo.BUT that said taller fighters like Chionoi definitely showed up some of his flaws.

 

Yeah, Tito was pretty **** poor. Even Yory Boy was teeing off on him.