Bute will slap Ward around noooo prob.

Oops. Lucian Bute was simply not invited to participate to that tournament; see the official claim: (IBF champion) Lucien Bute was not invited (to participate). He’s a great champion but this tournament works. As noticed by independent observers, No firm explanation has ever been offered for why he was not invited but, well, he wasn't. The consensus top three Super Middleweights in the world right now, whether it be in the ratings at this site, Ring Magazine, ESPN, or FightNews, are Kessler, Bute, and the U.K.'s WBC titlist Carl Froch (25-0 20 KO). All have Kessler in the number one slot. Three of four have Bute at number two. One may speculate about the reasons (here you have an example: While it's still an exciting event and Showtime should be lauded for their efforts, it did not invite either Pavlik or Bute to participate in the tournament. If you believe Showtime, it's because they would have been too expensive, and if you believe the conspiracy theorists, it's because Kalle Sauerland was trying to set up a tournament where his fighters - Abraham and Kessler - would be in the finals.) but the fact is it would be very difficult even for an informed anti-Bute fan to blame him for not being invited. Money talks, and while Bute was already at that moment a top-3 ranked SMW, he still did not qualified for Showtime. You should ask them for their ultimate reasons (if any) or stop speculating.

So Kessler says Interbox offer was not enough (debatable argument), does not make any counter-proposal, does not negotiate for more $$$ and signs in a matter of days for a fight with Stieglitz, but the fault should be attributed to Bute?! This is a simple fact: Kessler (not Bute) refuted the fight for some reason, $$$ might have be an excuse for Kessler but by no means for Bute.

The same as above holds even more firmly. The one who might have get an excuse for not being a part of the fight (after agreeing with conditions) is Pavlik, not Bute.

He also failed to fight Klitscho bros. Lame excuse: another category. :hey
Actually, BHOP fights at another category, while Bute wants to clear out SMW first (My trainers have been transforming my body to adapt well to the light heavyweight division since 2010, but I am not moving up until I clean house at 168.) It sounds very fair to me to be consistent at a determined category before considering changing it, it's ridiculous to label the consistency as failure.

It depends what you do consider top ten. According to "The Ring", in 2007 and 2008, Bika and Andrade were in the top eight, Bute fought with both of them in that period. According to the same journal, Glen Johnson is currently ranked 7th at SMW, Bute fought him. So you have at least three top ten opponents faced by Bute.

As explained, he has another schedule than the one you want to impose as a "must".

Then you should check better your sources since your so-called "facts" are just a bunch of false or irrelevant statements.

 

If excuses were assholes, Bute would have **** flying out of him from every direction. :yep

 

add Froch chin in the mix and i can't disagree

 

Those are facts, jack?? :rofl Who the **** do you think you are talking to, your little brother??

Bottom line: I've got you pegged and we both know it. So let's quit with the standard anti-Bute boilerplate-- seriously, you've grown rather repetitive-- and tell me the terms of the deal.

Bute beats Froch. Deal with it.

 

One post and you've already seen and raised The_President something proper.

Don't be disappointed, however, if he fails to offer anything other than what you have already had the misfortune to read.

 

Having seen and read some of The President thread he looks like a knowledge guy, he said things that raise my eyebrow and I think he is very intelligent. But for a reason I cannot understand, he say some false stuff like in this thread and call them facts when everyone knows Bute was not invited in the S6 and still he try to troll it...

Knowledgeable people should be ashamed to say so blatant a lie. I can understand if the guy seem to have no clue, but not in this case.

I dont mind people having different view than me or others, in fact I like to have intelligent arguing. But I cant cope with lies like that, it's why I think sometimes he is trying to troll, theirs nothing else that makes sense.

 

The_President's problem isn't a lack of intellect. Rather, he's laughably agenda driven and yet pretends as if he's motivated purely by objective analysis.

If you want to say this kid (Bute) hasn't fought the greatest competition, I am with you. If you believe that Ward and particularly Froch have better "W's" on their respesctive resumes, I am certainly receptive to that argument.

If, however, you claim that Froch will "expose" Bute than you are either a) blind, b) a ****ing ******, or c) clearly and, at this point comically, a Bute-hater.

I submit that The_President falls under the heading of category "c."

 

Truthfully, Dialogging with you is more like speaking with my little sister. My brother understands fighting very well and we pretty much see things eye to eye.

As to the winner of a Froch-Bute match, my money is with the fighter Vs the model. Can't wait!

 

I take it your little sister sees through your bull**** as well, huh??

 

ha ha ha :good

 

bute only fight cans and bums....froch and ward would whoop his ass

 

Froch and Ward will look like bums when they stop ducking Bute.

 

I didn't quite catch it, were you trying to give a witty answer?

I've been reading the forum for a while, so I'm not really surprised.
A professor I had the chance to interact with once upon a time used to say: a person who systematically repeats contradictions is either a dumb or a liar (the options not being exclusive, though). I want to clear out whether it is legitimate to apply this reasoning in the case of the statements made by our forum colleague.

 

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is back at it again, spewing stupidaties as he cocks his head back lol, what a loser with comments like this.. hopeless:hi:

 

Yeah, right. Now, let's get to the facts.
At the SMW there are more than 800 active pros listed by boxrec. Ward has 24 fights, Bute has 30 fights. Obviously, in the strict sense Ward couldn't mathematically have fought everyone (24 < 800) and Bute couldn't mathematically fought no one (30 > 0). So, in order to have a meaning, your numerical statement has to be interpreted also in a qualitative sense concerning the opposition they've faced. Let's give a look at that.

Bute's last opponents over a 3 year period before S6 announcement (July 13, 2009) with their boxrec ratings at the time of the fight:
2006-09-15 James Obede Toney - 86 (TKO 8 )
2007-01-26 Sergey Tatevosyan - 214 (UD)
2007-06-15 Sakio Bika - 225 (UD)
2007-10-19 Alejandro Berrio - 424 (TKO 11)
2008-02-29 William Joppy - 69 (TKO 10)
2008-10-24 Librado Andrade - 443 (UD)
2009-03-13 Fulgencio Zuniga - 213 (TKO 4)

Average opponents rating: ~239
Bute rating grew from 408 to 745

Who has Bute faced after S6 announcement:
2009-11-28 Librado Andrade - 393 (TKO 4)
2010-04-17 Edison Miranda - 219 (TKO 3)
2010-10-15 Jesse Brinkley - 350 (KO 9)
2011-03-19 Brian Magee - 226 (TKO 10)
2011-07-09 Jean Paul Mendy - 205 (KO 4)
2011-11-05 Glen Johnson - 405 (UD)

Average opponents rating: ~300
Bute rating grew from 745 to 892

Ward's last opponents over a 3 year period before S6 announcement (July 13, 2009) with their ratings:
2006-11-16 Derrick Findley - 16 (UD)
2007-03-29 Julio Jean - 8 (TKO 3)
2007-05-17 Dhafir Smith - 32 (TKO 6)
2007-07-14 Francisco Diaz - 32 (TKO 3)
2007-11-16 Roger Cantrell - 52 (TKO 5)
2008-03-20 Rubin Williams - 95 (TKO 7)
2008-06-20 Jerson Ravelo - 77 (TKO 8 )
2008-12-13 Esteban Camou - 36 (TKO 3)
2009-02-06 Henry Buchanan - 93 (UD)
2009-05-16 Edison Miranda - 302 (UD)

Average opponents rating: ~74
Ward rating grew from 61 to 373

Who has Ward faced after S6 announcement:
2009-09-12 Shelby Pudwill - 8 (KO 3)
2009-11-21 Mikkel Kessler - 517 (TD 11) [S6]
2010-06-19 Allan Green - 353 (UD) [S6]
2010-11-27 Sakio Bika - 202 (UD)
2011-05-14 Arthur Abraham - 378 (UD) [S6]

Average opponents rating: ~292
Ward rating grew from 373 to 753


So before S6, Ward fought an arguably weaker mass of opponents, while after S6 announcement, the average ratings of their opponents are about the same
Now, let's get to the individuals. It all depends on the choice of the threshold rating separating no names from quality opposition.
If one fixes this threshold around 100 (say), then Bute has faced in the considered periods only 2 low quality opponents and 11 good fighters, while Ward faced 10 low quality and 5 good fighters. 11 > 5 so this tentative threshold doesn't fit your statement.
Let's try another round threshold, 200: the situation is unchanged, the numbers are the same, Bute has still 11 good opponents while Ward stays at 5.
If we change the threshold to 300, then Bute remains with 5 good opponents while Ward steps down at 4: still 5 > 4 does not fit the paradigm no one/everyone.
Maybe even this threshold is too low, so we look at 400. Well, it turns out that Ward remains with only 1 quality opponent while Bute has still 3 good opponents left. Since 3 > 1, your initial statement doesn't look very good.
In order to single out Ward in some way, we can fix the threshold at 500: now he has faced 1 quality opponent (namely Kessler) while Bute has indeed faced no one. But within this threshold convention, one would hardly call Kessler (a single person) "everybody". According to your resulting standards of conversation, in this case it would be just enough for Bute to face an over 500 rated (or Kessler?!) in order to say he's faced "everyone" (too bad Kessler himself did not accept Bute's (Interbox) proposal, actually his rating is currently below 400). At present, there are only 3 boxers rated over 500: Bute, Ward and Froch; Ward and Froch are still involved in S6 (that is: not available) , but after the final the eventual winner will be very highly ranked, so facing him would earn Bute the same statement in your own standards, he would face "everyone". :hey