Some very significant underestimating of easy paced slow runs on here...... Just talking from a purely aerobic fitness and conditioning perspective and not boxing specifics long runs could and should make up part of your schedule if this is your goal. Okay I agree intervals will enable you to run at a higher % of Vo2max and are the key to larger increases in aerobic performance, but long slow runs at a low % max heart rate are still important. Physiological changes take place at this range of training that do not happen at faster interval pace. All decent standard (National and ablove) 800 and 1500m runners (both highly anaerobic) will run over 6-10miles at an easy pace almost every day and some times twice a day. They don't do this for fun, they do it as it works! I mention this as earlier in the thread someone said they do not use slow runs often. Boxing may be different from pure running, but to say slow runs are useless or near useless is wrong.
Interesting Topic, the secret is finding the Balance. Its not about Stress all the time. Anyway think the solution has been Found :good
an old hockey coach of mine used to have us do 2 hour long jogs before practices claiming it would get us in better shape. i tried explaining to him numerous times the difference between a hard 1 minute long shift in hockey and a 2 hour jog. not only that the jogs wiped us out for our practices. its the same thing with alot of guys in boxing. one of the things i noticed coming onto this forum after being involved in strength training for so long and taking human biology courses in college etc is that these guys still stick to the old hat gym knowledge they got from some old school trainer at their gym. of the sports ive been involved in boxing is by far lightyears behind in training compared to the rest
^^ Mate, Boxers still do crunches, have their stomachs hit with med balls, and do silly runs at silly o'clock. Haye and Pac train the way a Boxer should train imo.
Newer training methods = trendy, i.e., moving road work to the back burner. I am not saying either way is better or worse. I don't think I have the understanding to know. Maybe it is the general movement of fitness/health of the country, but I just feel that Boxers from before were in better physical shape. I just think it is a bit arrogant for you guys to get on here talking about "now we know" when if you look at weight divisions of the past you didn't have the fat guys. Also, modern science changes what is "known" every 5-10 years. Eat carbs only! Now eat protien! No fat! You need fat! Oh yeah, oatmeal is good for you! Don't take multi-vitamins they kill you! To say it isn't a debate is to reduce your own credibility.
Which is how? Argueable but you have a point. Every time science discovers something about training it replaces a belief that has worked for the generation before.
So you don't want science to advance and try new training methods that may make a better athlete? We have fat guys because people eat too much food not because of "trendy training". People that have a clue know what to eat and when. The problems you're talking about are primarily for bodybuilders. Science is always evolving. Why people want to stay in the past I don't know. What is some advice from the past...? Smoke! It's good for you!
I'm not talking about nutrition, I'm talking about physiological changes from training modes. It's not an argument, it's something that is easily measured unlike the results from different diets over time. I don't understand how you link modern science to some overweight fighters, I guarantee a far greater percentage of fighters still train without purpose or a plan than those that follow sports science and think about what they're doing. If a fighter is overweight it's because he doesn't know how to eat and/or he's lazy.
It's not about replacing anything, it's about improving. There's a lot of money in sports and a lot of research. Teams want their players to be their best, they want value for money. Boxing is a very individual sport so most boxers don't have anyone to answer to, it's also a sport with a lot of traditions and a lot of emphasis on having 'heart and discipline'. In reality it's a sport, boxers are athletes, not fighters or warriors as they like to think of themselves. The exception to the stereotypical boxing mindset is the amateur national teams and the top pros, performance is more important than showing heart so they train like athletes, they follow advances in sports science and nutrition. You can run every morning and feel like you're a special breed of person but when it comes to fight night and you come up against someone who has been training smart and hard then you're at a disadvantage. Training smart is more important than anything. If there's a better way to get fit, a better way to recover then you need to be open to change or you'll get left behind. Training any way is going to 'work' for a sport, if you play a sport it's working. It's about being your best. That's why games get faster and athletes get better over the years, standards improve. The boxing world is resistant to change, we worship old time fighters as if they are immortals. I honestly hate all this emotion, hero worship and heart crap in the fight game. It's why I prefer amateur boxing, particularly Russian/Ukrainian/Cuban boxing. Skills, athletes, we're all tough so let's focus on getting better at our sport and beat our opponents. Western boxing seems to be 'overcome yourself, show heart and courage, it worked for Jack Dempsey la di da'. Insecure **** that only promotes fighters doubting themselves. /end rant
A lot of know it alls here but i'll say this one size do not fit all in the world of exercise. And lastly no matter what the new fab in training is there isnt one world champion boxer out there past or present that did not use running as part of his training regiment. So say all you want about studies, science and whatever but the proof is right there in the results. Nobody here is a world champion boxer so unless you can prove that you can fight a 12round championship fight without any running at all during your training then just stfu already about not needing running to box. Is best to follow the path that's been proven to work and not the path one internet geek that thinks he knows better. :hat
It's pretty funny that people will believe in science when it comes to new technologies or new methods in other sports, but when it comes to boxing training it's fingers in the ears time, even when whats being said is supported by studies. You carry on wasting your time doing your distance run training every day while your opponenet is doing actual boxing training. :good
and which opponent is that.. list the names of pro boxers that dont run during training.... list me the names of the boxers that participated in the studies that proved that the one that didnt run were in better shape for their fight... not one professional boxer of championship caliber will listen to you or anybody else that comes up to them with the idea to train for the fight without any running involved... you keep saying is been proven but i havent read about one boxer that saids they dont road work during training :hat