The problem with Juan Manuel Marquez....

Nay_Sayer · Nov 10, 2011

empiricix said: ↑

Damn! The Nubian Nay-Sayer has been massacred and his remains dug up by Egyptologists and re-massacred again! :yep
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spats said: ↑

Guess its time for nay sayer to change his avatar
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If you two Geniuses think you know better then please join the debate.

Box Box Box · Nov 11, 2011

its easy to say, i agree you are right and i'am wrong.

TMalik · Nov 11, 2011

I'm not Nay Sayer's Alt. How did you even reach that conclusion?

Gooners2 · Nov 11, 2011

Nay_Sayer said: ↑

....is that he's Mexican.

I'm sitting here watching the Marquez Pacquiao rematch and it's amazing how easy the fight is for Juan when he chooses to box. Manny is having all types of problems with Juan's movement and right hand lead/counter. Marquez is leading with hooks and straight right hands for which Pacquiao has no answer.

The problem with Marquez, as I see it, is that he allows Pacquiao to goad him into a brawl where Pacquiao then has the advantage.

Anyone who thinks it's going to be a blowout for Pacquiao is delusional...
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Yeah I went and watched HL of their rematch a few days ago and noticed the same thing. He wants to respond every-time he gets hit but ends up getting embroiled in a fight (too much). Problem I envisage, is they seem to think the best way to beat Manny is to back him up, which might be a good strategy if they methodically backed him up from behind the stick and strategically picked at him from the outside, but Marquez looks to throw combinations which can sometimes leave spots for Manny to counter him. One particular punch that leaves Marquez open when he throws it, is the lead right hand, it works for him when Manny's coming foward, but when he (Marquez)goes foward and he throws it, he leaves himself open, now I dont know if its because he over-commits to it, but that is how he ended up on his ass in the rematch. Irony of the knockdown, is that it came as a result of what were speaking about, Marquez got put down trying to respond to Pacquiao who had just hit him with a few shots.

Marquez was effective when he stayed off the line and kept stepping to his left, but when Pacquiao was momentarily able to break up his rhythm, he would lose his composure and spend too much time on the line with Manny, instead sticking to what he was doing and moving to his left.

Marquez is seemingly gonna go foward in this fight, and Manny looks like he's preparing to KO Marquez, that combined with Manny filling out at the weight, and Marquez not, might mean he may be able to KO him imo.

I like you, watching it back, couldn't be believe how much he completely out-boxed Manny in spells.

DoninLouisiana · Nov 11, 2011

I believe Marquez's downfall will be Pacquiao's right hand on Saturday night. He has never had to deal with that as much as he will now. Pac can hurt you with his right hand and that could be the difference here.

TMalik · Nov 11, 2011

DoninLouisiana said: ↑

I believe Marquez's downfall will be Pacquiao's right hand on Saturday night. He has never had to deal with that as much as he will now. Pac can hurt you with his right hand and that could be the difference here.
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That was supposed to be the difference in the 2nd fight! "Manila Ice" didn't go as well as planned when exposed to "Latino Heat" (c) Eddie Guerrero [RIP]

empiricix · Nov 11, 2011

Nay_Sayer said: ↑

If you two Geniuses think you know better then please join the debate.
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Nah! I believe that Egyptians actually descended from Malays since their skin color looks more like brown to me than white or black. I'm going to get some evidence from google and then come back here to slay you people! :rofl

Nay_Sayer · Nov 11, 2011

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naysayer you TMALIK account is quite blatantly an alt account of yours,you're getting desperate now...

and is that all you can really muster up naysayer? i thought you were going to destroy him???

honestly this is probably one of the worst online massacres iv ever seen (on any subject) Why are we honoring this man? Have we run out of human beings?.

he keeps messaging me stating 'i am going to pick your archaelogist friend apart'

I'll bet your father spent the first year of your life throwing rocks at the stork! you have delighted us long enough me thinks...

Some folks are wise and some are otherwise!

do you want a true pic of the man in his avvy?

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Why are you still running off @ the mouth?

Didn't you bring your "archaeologist" friend around to teach me a lesson?

Well, I'm still waiting to be taught. Your so-called "archaeologist" friend knows absolute **** about Ancient Egypt or anything else for that matter. So, instead of picture spamming this thread, why don't you make yourself useful by either a) doing some research and posting some good sources on Ancient Egypt or b) STFU.

Nay_Sayer · Nov 11, 2011

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Marquez is seemingly gonna go foward in this fight, and Manny looks like he's preparing to KO Marquez, that combined with Manny filling out at the weight, and Marquez not, might mean he may be able to KO him imo.

I like you, watching it back, couldn't be believe how much he completely out-boxed Manny in spells.
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I think Marquez can go forward as long as he stays behind his jab.

Nay_Sayer · Nov 11, 2011

SILENCER said: ↑

care to explain this naysayer??

Originally Posted by Nay_Sayer [url]
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From the tomb of Ramses III.

Read 'em and weep.

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i asked you for your sources in another thread and you gave me this?^^^
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I've already given you plenty of sources on tropical body plans, cranio-facial evidence, and cultural evidence. Go back and read what I've already given you.

PH|LLA · Nov 11, 2011

You can talk to Oscar, Cotto, Mosley, and Clottey to see if not being Mexican helps.

oh and you might as well ask Ledwaba while you're at it

Etu86 · Nov 11, 2011

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Wow, you idiots really are clueless, aren't you?

Here's another history lesson for you, 40 thousand years ago there were NO CAUCASIANS anywhere on earth.
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Researchers have disagreed for decades about an issue that is only skin-deep: How quickly did the first modern humans who swept into Europe acquire
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skin? Now a new report on the evolution of a gene for skin color suggests that Europeans lightened up quite recently, perhaps only 6000 to 12,000 years ago. This contradicts a long-standing hypothesis that modern humans in Europe
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about 40,000 years ago, as soon as they migrated into
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Under darker skies, pale skin absorbs more sunlight than dark skin, allowing ultraviolet rays to produce more vitamin D for bone growth and calcium absorption. The [evolution of] light skin occurred long after the arrival of modern humans in Europe, molecular anthropologist Heather Norton of the University of Arizona, Tucson, said in her talk.
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she calculated the background mutation rate of SLC24A5 and thereby determined that 18,000 years had passed since the light-skin allele was fixed in Europeans. But the error margins were large, so she also analyzed variation in the DNA flanking the gene. She found that Europeans with the allele had a striking lack of diversity in this flanking DNAa sign of very recent genetic change, because not enough time has passed for new mutations to arise. The data suggest that the selective sweep occurred 5300 to 6000 years ago, but given the imprecision of method, the real date could be as far back as 12,000 years ago, Norton said. She added that other, unknown, genes probably also cause paling in Europeans. Either way, the implication is that our European ancestors were brown-skinned for tens of thousands of yearsa suggestion made 30 years ago by Stanford University geneticist
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He argued that the early immigrants to Europe, who were hunter-gatherers, herders, and fishers, survived on ready-made sources of
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But when farming spread in the past 6000 years, he argued,
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. Cultural factors such as heavier clothing might also have favored increased absorption of sunlight on the few exposed areas of skin, such as hands and faces, says paleoanthropologist Nina Jablonski of PSU in State College.

Such recent changes in skin color show that humans are still evolving, says molecular anthropologist Henry Harpending of the University of Utah, Salt Lake City: We have all tacitly assumed for years that modern humans showed up 45,000 years ago and have not changed much since, while this and other work shows that we continue to change, often at a very fast rate.
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Etu86 · Nov 11, 2011

Nay_Sayer said: ↑

WTF are you talking about, Genius? Why not quote the WHOLE of the section in question instead of one or two sentences taken OUT OF CONTEXT.

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Here is the whole section IN CONTEXT:
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Body shapeStature is comprised of contributions from several body portions, i.e., from the lower limb and from the trunk and cranium. The analyses performed on each individual bone were undertaken to see whether the small stature change found could be assigned to differences in growth of either the lower limb or the trunk (employing upper limb measurements as an indirect proxy for trunk size).
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although neither upper limb length (humerus radius) nor lower limb length (femur tibia) themselves exhibited significant change through time. All long bone lengths that changed display the same trend of increasing in length up until the start of the Dynastic period, and then decrease to the MK. None of the body ratios separating upper and lower portions exhibit statistically significant change through time. This pattern supports suggestions that the relative constancy of stature (i.e., the relatively low level of change through time) cannot easily be compartmentalized. This result is in agreement with previous research that found no significant change in body proportions between the Predynastic period and the Middle Kingdom (Masali, 1972; Robins, 1983).
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The ancient Egyptians have been described as having a Negroid body plan
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Variations in the proximal to distal segments of each limb
were therefore examined. Of the ratios considered, only maximum humerus length to maximum ulna length (XLH/XLU) showed
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The nature of the body plan was also investigated by comparing the intermembral, brachial, and crural indices for these samples with values obtained from the literature. No significant differences were found in either index through time for either sex. The raw values in Table 6 suggest that Egyptians had the super-Negroid body plan
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The values for the brachial and crural indices show that the distal segments of each limb
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(data from Aiello and Dean, 1990). This pattern is
supported by Figure 7 (a plot of population mean femoral and tibial lengths; data from Ruff, 1994), which indicates that the Egyptians generally have tropical body plans.
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Despite these differences, all samples lie relatively clustered together
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Variation in Ancient Egyptian Stature and Body Proportions, Sonia R. Zakrzewski
[url]http://wysinger.homestead.com/egypti...roportions.pdf[/url]
Do yourself a favor and LEARN HOW TO READ.
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Nay_Sayer said: ↑

The nature of the body plan was also investigated by comparing the intermembral, brachial, and crural indices for these samples with values obtained from the literature. No significant differences were found in either index through time for either sex. The raw values in Table 6 suggest that Egyptians had the super-Negroid body plan
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The values for the brachial and crural indices show that the distal segments of each limb are longer relative to the proximal segments
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(data from Aiello and Dean, 1990). This pattern is supported by Figure 7 (a plot of population mean femoral and tibial lengths; data from Ruff, 1994), which indicates that the Egyptians generally have tropical body plans.
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Despite these differences, all samples lie relatively clustered together as compared to the other populations.
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Nay_Sayer said: ↑

Let's not play crazy. YOUR source is confirming that Ancient Egyptians have tropical body plans. However, if you don't want to believe YOUR own source, I can find you another.
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Nay_Sayer said: ↑

Trinkhaus (1981) provides upper and lower extremity distal/proximal member ratios for numerous populations, including a predynastic Egyptian and
Meiterranean European series. The predynsatic Egyptian values plotted near tropical Africans, not Mediterranean Europeans. ******
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had observed that these ratios for early Nakada Egyptians were similar to those "Negroes." Robins and Shute (1983, 1986) evaluated predynastic and dynastic limb ratios and found the former to be "supernegroid." They also noted a Negroid ratio in a sample of New Kingdom dynastic remains. This suggests that the ancestors of the southern Egyptians were not cold-adapted immigrants to Africa. A sample of definite northern Egyptians may have given different results. Studies and Comments on Ancient Egyptian Biological Relationships (1993)
[url]http://wysinger.homestead.com/keita-1993.pdf[/url]
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Nay_Sayer said: ↑

Skeletal sampling was mainly restricted to sites from Middle and Upper Egypt so that all individuals would have experienced reasonably similar
geographical and climatic conditions. Due to the lack of Old Kingdom (OK), skeletal remains from Upper Egypt and one series from Lower Egypt were also
analyzed (Gizeh). Site locations are shown in Figure 1. Distances between sites are shown in Table 1. The selection of skeletal material was mainly pragmatic. For most periods, all available material was assessed, although complete skeletons were preferred over crania alone, and complete crania were selected in preference to fragmentary material. Care was taken to maximize samples from all available time periods. The sampling was also limited by the selection of the material that had been removed from Egypt and thus available for study in museum and university collections. Many collections derive from early excavations, with only individuals of interest being shipped back to the European collector funding the excavation, and hence the material studied may not be completely representative of the cemetery population. Four collections were studied; the Duckworth Collection of the Department of Biological Anthropology in Cambridge, the Egyptian collection of the Natural History Museum in London, the Marro Collection of theDepartment of Anthropology and Biology in Turin, and the Reisner Collection of the Natural History Museum in Vienna
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Etu86 · Nov 11, 2011

Nay_Sayer said: ↑

Samples (Table 2) were studied only if they could be reliably dated to one of the six periods. The dates in Table 2 are midpoint time period dates and generate a temporal distance matrix. For further details regarding the cemeteries, see Zakrzewski (2003). Analysis was limited to adult individuals, with maturity being determined on the basis of sphenooccipital fusion, full epiphyseal fusion, and complete eruption of the third molars.

The Badarian crania have been characterized by their small and gracile nature (Stoessiger, 1927; Morant, 1935; Strouhal, 1971; Gaballah et al., 1972), and their relatively high degree of facial prognathism (Stoessiger, 1927). The current study supports this description (being placed low on PC1 in Fig. 2, as a result of their short cranial vaults and narrow faces). Furthermore, their phenotypic homogeneity (Fig. 2, Table 5) has been demonstrated. As a result of their facial prognathism, the Badarian sample has been described as forming a morphological cluster with Nubian, Tigrean, and other southern (or \Negroid") groups (Morant,
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[url]http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/4949/haniharaprognathismsq5.jpg[/url] >. Wiercinski (1965) defined the basic or indigenous Egyptian type as being Badarian-like, but then said that this group was of NearEastern origin
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Nay_Sayer said: ↑

From the central location of the Badarian samples in Figure 2, the current study finds the Badarian to be relatively morphologically close to the centroid of all the Egyptian samples. The Badarian have been shown to exhibit greatest morphological similarity with the temporally successive EPD (Table 5). Finally, the biological distinctiveness of the Badarian from other Egyptian samples has also been demonstrated (Tables 6 and 7).

Population Continuity or Population Change:
Formation of the Ancient Egyptian State (2007)
Sonia R. Zakrzewski

[url]http://wysinger.homestead.com/zakrzewski_2007.pdf[/url]
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