Intercontinental Championships and title rank

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Slacker, Nov 11, 2011.


  1. Slacker

    Slacker Big & Slow Full Member

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    There will always be a World Champion. There will always be "second best".

    The WBA is using its "regular" title to signify "second best"

    The WBC is using its "silver" belt for the same thing.

    The IBF is sparing itself the embarrassment and not using anything.

    Nobody gives a **** about the WBO.

    All of those organizations have an Intercontinental/International Championship, which by its own name, means that you are better than regional or national, but not quite world level.

    The only recent Intercon Champion I can remember who was legitimately at that level and fighting his way forward, was Adamek.

    It seems to me that the Inter. Champ should be fighting to show he's the best challenger available for the World Title, yet nobody uses this belt for that reason.

    Why not create some exciting meaningful contender fights between the #4 - #10 ranked guys instead of having guys languish in the Top 10 waiting to get to the front of the line?

    Thoughts?
     
  2. chitownfightfan

    chitownfightfan Loyal Member Full Member

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    I'd rather see top contenders carrying lesser straps than absolute cans carrying them.

    Seems if these lesser titles came with a bit more notoriety as the EU/BBoC does, they might cause some of these socalled contenders like Arreola and Rahman to step up their game and actually earn their ranking.:deal
     
  3. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    Well, I rate the WBO higher as the WBA for a couple of years now.
    And looking at the polls that have been here, so do most people here.

    But I think the "Incontinent Championships" like I call them has some merit. A lot more as the bogus Silver, Regular and Interim belts at least.

    Country (National) Championships
    Continental Championships
    Intercontinental Championships
    World Championships

    That should be all, and nothing more or less.
    But it doesn't mean the Intercontinental Champions, who usually fight overmatched opponents to "defend" their title should count as the main contender for the World title... only if they also make it to #1 in the ranks.
     
  4. Atlanta

    Atlanta Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This is how the rankings should be:

    World- only one of these titles. Interim only occurs when the champion is incapacitated due to injury, must defend belt upon return against Interim champion.
    International/Silver- Second best, gets a mandatory title shot at the world belt holder/Interim Belt holder.
    Continental
    National
    State/Local
     
  5. Slacker

    Slacker Big & Slow Full Member

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    Looks like we all basically agree on the rankings of the belts.

    World
    Intercon
    Regional/Continental - NA, Latin, EU, Commonwealth/British
    National - English, USBA, Canadian, Cuban, African, Aussie
    State/Local

    However, in my opinion, the World Champion should only be able to fight the Intercon Champion.

    The loser becomes the Intercon champion and the Regional/Continental guys battle it out continuously in hopes of becoming the mandatory.

    That way, the bottom 8 guys in the top 10 will always be fighting each other, and will have to go through the previous champion to get the Intercon Title and become the mandatory. Also, it means that if you are the champ and you lose, that if you beat the #1 contender then you get a rematch for the World Title.

    To me, that is exactly the way it should be. The best fighting the best. It would also unify and reestablish a lineal champion.
     
  6. crosseyed

    crosseyed Active Member Full Member

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    I asked this in another thread, but what do people think about the, "regular" WBA belt?

    Do you consider Brandon Rios a title holder, or is the same as and interim belt, not quite a real belt?
     
  7. Slacker

    Slacker Big & Slow Full Member

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    Its an interim belt. You can't have two guys fighting for a belt when a third guy is holding the belt already.

    Example: Chagaev vs. Povetkin for the WBA "regular title" while Wlad currently holds the "Super" title. :roll:
     
  8. Slacker

    Slacker Big & Slow Full Member

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    Obviously, because the WBA is a total joke.

    Typically everyone agrees that The Ring is the most accurate, but of the sanctioning bodies:

    IBF is the best because they don't have bull**** titles and the rankings are believeable.

    WBC has OK rankings but so many bull**** titles that they are a circus act.

    WBO rankings usually suck, champions are weak.

    WBA is a total sideshow. Rankings are bull****. Consistency of policy is bull****.
     
  9. crosseyed

    crosseyed Active Member Full Member

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    Might be a better question for classic, but when did the WBO become generally accepted as a legitimate belt? I know it wasn't really considered one for at least most of the 90's.
     
  10. chitownfightfan

    chitownfightfan Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think the NABU, NABO, and the Fecombox titles are being held appropriately by a fringe contender.
    The WBF World Title is ending up in Grants hands soon and it will be given a form of legitimacy until it vacated forGrants shot at the IBF, IBO, WBO and WNA King.

    Several other regional titles do hold some wiring tas well, as thiese guys take on all comers for the most part and don't exactly hide from the bigger fights.:hi:
     
  11. KOTF

    KOTF Bingooo Full Member

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    Wasn't Razor Ramon intercontinental champion?
     
  12. PNoyFightFanUSN

    PNoyFightFanUSN Larry Don't Give a **** Full Member

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    Yea until that ladder match with Shawn michaels
     
  13. PNoyFightFanUSN

    PNoyFightFanUSN Larry Don't Give a **** Full Member

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    I think the loser should be bumped down to the bottom of the however many eligible contenders list. I think the ibf ranks 10. Then the top contenders do a box off for the intercontinental belt. The way they do their rankings, if number 8 beats number 3, he becomes number 3. So people could still break into the top rankings.
     
  14. Slacker

    Slacker Big & Slow Full Member

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    Consider that in my scenario working to the World Champion position is much more difficult than it is now.

    Hell, just getting into the top 10 would be a lot harder than now.

    Also, once you are there, you would be fighting the best fighters several times a year. There will likely be better conditioned fighters but also more injuries.

    Theoretically your idea makes sense, but in real life, the outcome of a fight can be total BS because of any number of factors.

    To have someone work that hard to get to the top of a division lose controversially, or get completely robbed, then have to go all the way to the bottom of the roster where they may never get a shot at avenging a loss or reclaiming their title... just doesn't seem fair.

    In my scenario even if the champ loses, he has to prove he's worthy by fighting the #1 challenger available before he gets a rematch for the World title.

    That's a win-win-win-win for everyone.

    The fans win by getting great fights.

    The current champ wins by having extra time to train/recover from his last fight, do exhibitions, etc..

    The previous champ gets a shot at redemption

    The #1 challenger gets the experience/payday of fighting the former champion for the mandatory spot. Adding to his legacy and further proving his greatness.
     
  15. PNoyFightFanUSN

    PNoyFightFanUSN Larry Don't Give a **** Full Member

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    So where does the unsuccessful number 1 contender go if he loses? The IBF seems pretty fair in taking circumstances into account like rematching mares agbeko