Khan vs JMM at 140????

No I don't. Because he isn't.

Also, what is power without application.

 

Yes he is. When you're putting it down division by division, he is one of the top punchers out there.

Even enough for Berto to suggest that he's on steroids.

What's your list of P4P top ten punchers as of right now?

 

Atleast now i know what an awful poster you are :hi:

 

No he isn't.

Pacquiao, Marquez, Matthysse and Maidana are all heavier handed, and that's only looking at neighbouring weight classes.

 

ooooooooo, thats profound and schexy

 

Agree Kendall Holt and his 46% KO ratio comes to mind.

 

You wouldn't expect anything less from me, surely ;-)

Laz: 'Berto suggested he was on steroids'. What's the point of debating with this clown?

 

Pacquiao? - 100% Arguable. Pacquiao who sparred Ortiz himself said Ortiz is very heavy handed.

Matthysse - 100% Arguable. What are you basing this on? The amount of KO's listed to the amount of fights he's had?

Maidana - 100% Arguable. Again, basing it on? Khan's, Morales' head shots bounced off Maidana, while the only person who was actually able to floor Maidana with head shots was Ortiz. I don't know how you're parting the two in terms of Power. A supposedly 'glass jawed' Khan took Maidana's shots in the early going and couldn't floor him and Maidana couldn't floor an over the hill Morales.

Marquez - 100% Arguable. Don't be silly.

Again, yes he is.

 

Laz: the boxrec warrior

 

Was that to me?

Berto has been in there with him. Have you?. Again, your arrogance overshadows your willingness to debate (not the first time). I asked for your top ten P4P punchers. If you're going to suggest something is not true, then at least give an argument to back it up instead of just saying it's not because you think you're superior to something else in terms of Boxing knowledge.

 

Remind me Laz, how many World class fighters has Ortiz knocked out?

 

Ortiz has dropped a shitload of fighters though...

 

What does Pacquiao's opinion on Ortiz' power have anything to do with Manny's?

Pacquiao has been bashing up and knocking out world class fighters for years - let me know when Ortiz does the same.

As for the rest of it, don't make me laugh.

Marquez - has stopped several world class fighters up at 135 and got Pac's attention on Saturday.

If Ortiz fights an opponent without a ridiculous weight advantage, who has proven to be durable - and knocks him out/stops him, we can talk.

As it is, he's KO'd a few bums, couldn't beat Maidana or Peterson, both of whom were there for the taking and was taken a turgid ten rounds by Nate Campbell, who's been sparked before. Berto was also hurt pretty bad by Collazo, who's claim to fame is rocking Ricky Hatton in the 12th round. Who has Berto beaten again?

I'm not sure why you are trying to big up Ortiz, it's not as if he's really a part of your pro-Khan agenda. I'm on record on here as saying that Khan would dominate the clown and stop him.

Ortiz' bottle job in the Floyd fight only served to emphasise that view.

 

Ortiz does have power, he's just a bit **** at finishing fighters off (Berto, Peterson, Maidana!)

 

Don't agree with Matthyse either: overrated puncher IMO