juan manuel marquez is pacquaios ken norton

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by gattiwarrior, Nov 14, 2011.


  1. gattiwarrior

    gattiwarrior Guest

    finally been able to score the fight again this time with no sound because i felt the HBO's commentary was very biased in afvor of manny pacquaio.

    going against the grain i scored for pacquaio 115-114 or 6-5-1 in rounds , the first time i watched it on a stream i had it 114-114 or 6-6

    now to support why i though pacquaio sneaked the fight i refer to the stats that had pacquaio out-landing marquez 10-1-1 in rounds , pacquiao also threw more punches 12-0 in rounds so its east to see why the judges scored the fight for manny pacquaio.

    here is a wee table of stats that i think supports the above....

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    there is no doubting this was a very very close fight , i found it one of the hardest fights i have ever scored , it basically ties up with the previous 2 fight which i scored.....

    pacquaio 115-111 marquez or 6-5-1 in rounds but manny had 3 knockdowns
    pacquaio 114-114 draw or 6-5-1 in rounds to marquez but manny had 1 knockdown

    i dont think this fight was a robbery in any way because of how tight the rounds were , what i dont agree with is the 116-112 card for pacquaio by 1 judge and by HBO's harold lederman no way in hell was there 4 rounds to either boxer in that fight.
     
  2. Scottrf

    Scottrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What do your stats have to do with the scoring system of professional boxing?
     
  3. Stopped reading after this part.
     
  4. gattiwarrior

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    usually if a fighter throws more punches and lands more than his opponent then he will be given the round by most judges and people scoring the fight.

    im only saying how i saw it.

    quality of punches does come into no doubt and that why marquez won so many rounds as he was being out-landed by manny.

    it was a close fight , HBO were so full of manny i think it turned alot of people off them , but ive also heard primetime were up marquez's ass so that why i watched the fight again with no sound.
     
  5. I'm gonna read this thread again with no picture.
     
  6. Scottrf

    Scottrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    All the arguments for Pacquiao that I’ve seen so far have consisted of ignoring the scoring system in one way or another, either by way of ‘judges like the fighter coming forward’, ‘you have to take the title from the champion’ or punchstats. No one has described what actually transpired and judged it for Pacquiao using the scoring criteria.

    Ring Generalship: Marquez had the outside foot, was backing up so that Manny couldn’t sit on his punches or lead effectively and was in range to counter.
    Defence: Marquez slipped, fell out of range etc, Pacquiao didn’t even move his head.
    Effective Aggression: Marquez was leading as much and responding with accurate punches.
    Clean Punching: Marquez as in all the highlights.

    I don't see which of these areas Pacquaio was consistently better in. He wasn't the ring general just by having the centre because he never had Marquez in an area he could be effective. Aggressor is debateable, I thought he was quite passive. The other 2 areas he clearly lost in consistently.
     
  7. Vano-Irons

    Vano-Irons Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Did you think the Polish fella beat Degale? Because he landed more than James did
     
  8. gattiwarrior

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    i had degale by 2 rounds if i can remember.....mate the punchstats CAN be mis-leading there is no dount about it.

    im just saying that the judges saw manny throw and land more than marquez , push him back although i think he wasnt effective enough doing it.

    thats why i think they scored the fight to manny.

    it was a very hard fight to score , there would be no argument from me if they had marquez the winner , the fight was that close
     
  9. Scottrf

    Scottrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not because the Pacquaio-Mayweather fight is potentially worth hundreds of millions of dollars?
     
  10. gattiwarrior

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    mate if thats the reason then its a disgrace , its also saying that those judges are corrupt which i dont think they are.

    on the general forum they are saying mayweather is fighting in february..its an audio on a radio station , if thats the truth then i cant see the manny vs floyd fight till this time next year as manny will prob fight april time or something
     
  11. Vano-Irons

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    Personally I thought it was the most clear cut fight out of the 3
     
  12. miguel2010

    miguel2010 His hands are his weapons Full Member

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    Why dont they get a bunch of 5 year olds in as judges, at least they tell the truth.
     
  13. Scottrf

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    I'm not saying that's it, I think they looked at the guy walking forwards and that him bring the champion and the cash cow must be on their mind.
     
  14. gattiwarrior

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    all 3 fights were close although the first one with the knockdowns made it very hard for marquez to win the fight , he would have needed to do a hopkins vs pascal and win every round after the knockdowns..which he never did although he gave it some try