The best Hw's ever.

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  1. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/arti...sortby=dateAsc

    Jackson is often said to be green and undernourished for this early fight. There is no doubt that he probably did improve, but I think this is blown out of proportion. As seen here, Jackson had a decent camp and time to train.


    And here is a good description of the farnan lees fight. I must say, that Matt raises a very interesting point though about Lees and his defeat of Farnan. While i think that age (and i presume his recorded lack of funds suggests drink might have also been a problem) is probably a telling factor, Lees was very dominant until finally losing to Jackson and from there, he could not maintain his best form, bt i wonder whether Tom Lees might sneak into the list.
    http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/arti...sortby=dateAsc


    I am not really sure where i put my last posts intended for this topic, but here is one of them
     
  2. janitor

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    John Henry picked up some good scalps, but he essentialy got beaten away in his ascent to a title shot, by Jimmy Braddock.

    Borderline case.

    Hamas was certainly going places, and picked up good scalps. Why did he have to take that rematch with Schmeling?
     
  3. lufcrazy

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    Not too mention the knockout victory farnham also scored in the rematch.
     
  4. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Here's an off the top of the head 1952-81

    Marciano
    Moore
    H.Johnson
    Cockell
    Valdez
    Jackson
    Baker
    Patterson
    Machen
    Folley
    DeJohn
    Cleroux
    Chuvalo
    Johansson
    Liston
    Cl.Williams
    Ali
    D.Jones
    Terrell
    Cooper
    Mildenberger
    Quarry
    Mathis
    Frazier
    Peralta
    Bonavena
    Spencer
    Martin
    Clarke
    M.Foster
    Ellis
    Foreman
    Norton
    Bugner
    Lyle
    Shavers
    Holmes
    Tate
    Weaver
    Coetzee
    Knoetze
    Middleton
    Bobick
    L.Spinks
    Mercado
    Berbick
    Young
    Ocasio
    L.Jones
    H.Smith
     
  5. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Police stopped that one with Jackson in trouble?
     
  6. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Nova is in at this stage, what about Gains? Above Buddy Baer, Risko, Hamas?
     
  7. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Just on Sullivan, I stumpled across a mall piece on Frank Herald, which caused me to look at Frank's CBZ record, and to be honest, he was a pretty good win for Sullivan, particularly the dominance of the win. I think that Sullivans dominance is something we havent really seen before and he is totally underated, althiugh in contrast, he did obviously not seem too keen to fight the best aussies like Farnan, Miller, Lees and Jackson, Slavin, Even Foley. It is a shame really although most of these came when Sullivan was past his best anyway.
     
  8. Boilermaker

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    That is how i remember it. It was a pretty clear cut win. I found the original report once. I am not sure but i have vague recollections of a report of a a third win as well, although dont trust me on that one as it is only vague. Either way, at this stage Farnana did assert dominance over Jackson.

    Although, can anyone recall whether these were gloved fights or not, because that might effect the question. I can remember that at least one of these fights did not take part in a ring as such.
     
  9. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    They were glove fights, MOQ rules. Farnan dominated. However Peter Newton bested him in a three round affair and then there is the Lees contests-hard to rate him.
     
  10. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lees was a world class fighter though, admittedly not as proven as one would like, but definitely world class, and Farnan had peeked by the time he met Lees. Do you think Lees might stand a chance at scraping into the list ahead of Miske?

    Newton i know little about and will have to do some searching in the coming days.
     
  11. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    here is another brief mention of Peter Newton. I hadnt realised that he was a promoter, and he was an ealy student of jem Mace by the sounds of things. Anyway, i havent time to read the full article but it looks an interesting one.
     
  13. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Missed Bob Satterfield off the 1952-81 roster.
     
  14. SuzieQ49

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    also Earl Walls
     
  15. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :goodALSO WILLIE PASTRANO