My card: 5-3-4 Marquez. My thoughts: You're all crazy if you think JMM was robbed.

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  1. EpsilonAxis

    EpsilonAxis HNIC Full Member

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    Here's my card:

    1-even
    2-Marquez
    3-Pac
    4-Pac
    5-Marquez
    6-Even
    7-Marquez
    8-even
    9-even
    10-Marquez
    11-Marquez
    12-Pac

    5-3-4 Marquez.

    Lemme start by saying what I've said all along about Pacquiao moving up in weight...it was a TACTICAL choice by Roach, who knows that while Manny can handle a bigger man's punch...bigger guys CANNOT handle Manny's speed and elusiveness.

    JMM, however, is a master of handling that elusiveness, and light enough to be used to guys as fast as Manny. The way he steps back and turns with Manny to always keep him in range was masterful during this fight. Manny jumps in for his shots, but because of that half-step, he has nothing to hit, and therefore Pac jumps out or pivots before getting countered. And the way JMM even steps IN on a southpaw and throws his straight right was a thing of beauty as well.

    I also thought Pac looked pretty good. He just had issues with keeping JMM in front of him. JMM put on a clinic tonight, but Pac is HIS foil, as well. Who else slows JMM to that kind of workrate? usually he's all over the guy with combinations.

    Also, who in Pac's corner chose that size of a ****ing ring? Jeez. Bad choice. The ring was a HW size ring.

    Anyway, no robbery. I had Marquez winning more rounds than Pac so far, but with 4 even rounds (and when I say even, i mean a single punch could have moved them in someone's favor) it was tough, as usual, to score.

    But kudos to both guys...they are truly the masters of their craft. :good
     
  2. FIGHTlover

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    wasnt the fight scored on the ten point must system?
     
  3. EpsilonAxis

    EpsilonAxis HNIC Full Member

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    probably was. But I can score however I want :good

    The point is, this fight was incredibly hard to score.
     
  4. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    You have it 5-3-4. So basically, the only way Pac can win if he gets every single swing round. That sounds like something of a robbery to me, unless you don't find it suspicious that the most prestigious, cash-cow received a very beneficial decision when it's clear that Marquez won more rounds more clearly. 116-112 is just awful, and it can't even occur with the card you have.
     
  5. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    When knockdowns don't occur (Or someone isn't badly rocked), it's all about who wins the majority rounds.
     
  6. EpsilonAxis

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    Actually, that's not a robbery, whatsoever. The point is that those rounds were very, very close.

    If you scored all 4 to Pac, I wouldn't argue. If you scored all 4 to Marquez, I also wouldn't argue.

    What I WILL say is that the 116-112 score is tough to backup. I also have no clue how Lederman gave Pac the 9th.
     
  7. EpsilonAxis

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    Another thing I will say is that Lederman (or someone on the broadcast) made a good point that body language is also important. I thought Pacquiao did look "in control" to a certain extent even if he was having problems with Marquez. It's tough as a counterpuncher to demonstrate the same type of control, especially with someone like Pac who has a rhythm of his own.
     
  8. FIGHTlover

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    but on the must system the rounds cant be even,right?so one guy MUST get 10 points,or am i wrong on this.
     
  9. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's always guys calling everyone else morons that say the stupidest ****. If you're a judge and you call three rounds even you're considered incompetent.
     
  10. JCC_is_overated

    JCC_is_overated FACT Full Member

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    its not a robbery its called reaching. a robbery is when there is absolutely no way that it could be scored for the other fighter but it did.
     
  11. PetethePrince

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    Marquez won the 9th. I think that was fairly clear that he had the quality punches in the exchanges during that round. I won't question your scorecard too much. It's alright. Scores are definitely varied. However, yes, on your card it's possible to score the fight for Pac. But it's incredibly beneficial if one fighter is winning all the swing rounds. You don't call that a robbery, but I might.
     
  12. EpsilonAxis

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    I'm not a judge. I'm a viewer. And I don't mind giving an even round if it is, in fact, an even round.
     
  13. JCC_is_overated

    JCC_is_overated FACT Full Member

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    so judges in Leonard/Duran are incompetent then?

    if a round is won by a fighter ill give it to that fighter. if a round is so close that its hard to determine a winner of it ill score it even. tell me where in the rulebook why that is not allowed.
     
  14. EpsilonAxis

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    I'm not arguing that the scoring overall didn't reflect the fight. I think 6-6 was a good score for it, I think you could see it 7-5 either way if you really wanted to. The 8-4 Pac was a little extreme.

    But also, in the end, everyone wins, so I'm not gonna complain. We'll get to see Pac-Mayweather. JMM and much of the boxing world views him as the toughest competition there is for Pac. No one loses except JMM gets an L on his record that is arguable...again...

    Frankly i thought JMM won their second fight more convincingly, at least.
     
  15. PetethePrince

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    When you're reaching so far that you're giving away half the fight and middle rounds to one guy I think it can be argued that you're being robbed. For example, take the 116-112 judge. His scorecard was so wide I think he gave Marquez the 12th round to balance it out. The 12th, really of all the rounds wasn't a clear Marquez round. If he didn't do that you've got a 117-111 card. Now, that would be a fine card if it were scored for Marquez. Otherwise, it's an absurd injustice. When the odds are stacked against you because of boxing politics. You're essentially not getting a fair shake, and thus being robbed of a real chance to win. Yes, you can "reach" for a Pac win. I'm sure your card going to be rather lousy in doing so.