Pac - JMM III - What fight were you watching?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Gander Tasco, Nov 15, 2011.


  1. Gander Tasco

    Gander Tasco Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I've seen this fight 3 times now. In HD . Not some shitty stream or on youtube.

    Reading people's ridiculous comments around here would make you believe that Pacquaio didnt land a single punch in this fight. Were people drunk when they watched this? Go and watch it and score it objectively and not with bias. Pacquiao outlanded Marquez. He was touching Marquez throughout the fight, especially in the later rounds. No he didn't land any huge KO bombs, but he was tagging him with left and right hands, and counters. Marquez face after the fight tells the whole story.

    This is another case of people's expectations affecting their perception of a fight. Everyone thought Manny was just going to blow him out, and since he didn't end up looking like superman, people say he lost. Well, bull****. JMM certainly has a case to have won the fight, but the punch stats don't back it up and if you score the fight objectively there's reasons for either guy to have won.

    Another thing is that JMM's punches were drawing the most crowd reaction because of all the mexicans. And again, there's that underdog factor. People always overrate what the underdog does, it's human nature.

    I'm going to go thru the fight again t to score it but my impressions the 2nd and 3rd time is that Pacquiao won by 1 or 2 rounds. He was more active, landed more punches, and Marquez could have done more in the late rounds.
     
  2. Davew430

    Davew430 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I've rewatched it numerous time's and come out with 116-113 Marquez every time
     
  3. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    i get where ur coming from but if the underdog is actually doing good its more than just the emotional fluff

    underdogs have won and legitimately before not just based on shock factor

    and non mexicans would have got excited from Juans punches he landed some good ones

    and punch stat does not always tell the story

    i see where your coming from with some of this but Juan has a strong case
     
  4. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Tasco you're a fine poster but I can't agree with you here. I rewatched it in HD and Manny didn't land significant punches for a long stretch of the middle fight. Marquez won his rounds clearly with hard effective punches, and Manny never won a round clear. It may be close round-by-round because of a few rounds at the start and at the end, but there's no way I can believe Pacquiao won 6 rounds of that fight, and 7 would be downright dishonest.

    If you could post you're scorecard that would be something to look at.
     
  5. beefman180

    beefman180 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Scored it 7-5 Marquez the first time and then 8-4 Marquez upon rewatching it.

    So upon first view I thought it was a close fight, then I rewatched and I saw the robbery everyone spoke of, Pac was missing non stop. Those compubox numbers and Lederman's card were an absolute joke. This was damn near a new generation Lewis/Holyfield.
     
  6. PH|LLA

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    even among those who scored it for JMM there is no consensus at to which rounds he won and which ones he lost. There are 9 rounds that even people who scored the fight for Marquez gave to Pac. Fights are scored round by round, and each round is an individual contest from the others.
     
  7. Divi253

    Divi253 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Why do you guys continue to believe you can tell someone else how they scored a fight? You can say you don't agree with someone's scorecard, or how they scored the fight if they break down how they did it.. But I've seen several threads were Pac fans claim people scored it for JMM because Pac didn't look his best, or JMM was the underdog, or they didn't do it by rounds.. WTF are you basing that off of? Wishful thinking?
     
  8. Body Head

    Body Head East Side Rape (CEO) Full Member

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    pac**** lost
     
  9. r2d2

    r2d2 HATERS GONNA HATE! Full Member

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    all of a sudden people here are better than professional boxing judges. lol funny!
     
  10. Gander Tasco

    Gander Tasco Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ok I can't agree with this. Round 6 was clear for Manny, I'm pretty sure there was 1 or 2 more, but I'm gonna have to go back and score it again.

    I'll post a scorecard later tonight.
     
  11. Zopilote

    Zopilote Dinamita Full Member

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    Better than the corrupt judges Arum paid off, yep.

    Dont believe me? Just ask the majority of the boxing world, including many pro boxers which would include some of Pac's sparring partners. :deal
     
  12. Boxing Fanatic

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    watching it right now. 5-2 jmm
     
  13. Chris85

    Chris85 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    All of the sudden number lies, it didnt previously :lol:
     
  14. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    And a shitty flurry that lands one small punch but the flurry excites fans doesn't mean that wins the round.




    Fights are scored by rounds and in those rounds, you score who won it.

    I score mine rounds by a second by second basis.

    So if Pac throws a combo, lands two punches and JMM counters back and lands one really hard punch that snaps Pac head back. I have it even.

    Pac on my card didn't win a round after the first until the 12th.

    I'll rescore it on HD on saturday.
     
  15. DobyZhee

    DobyZhee Loyal Member banned

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    would rather rewatch the Alvarado Presscot match.