Pac - JMM III - What fight were you watching?

More so than you and your biased as **** filipino buddies. They are also less likely to be influenced by Bob Arum.

It's not like it's only a couple saying it, it is a lot of them and they the know the sport better than anyone. Trainers are saying the same thing.

 

No it doesn't.

Effective aggression. Not aggression.

Pac was not effective in his aggression most of the time.


Plus, you shouldn't be scoring a round like that. At the end of the round, you should know who you thought won the round. Not think about it for a moment.

 

What's the point. I'm speaking generally because there's no point to show the 5-6 stills of Pac cleanly hitting Marquez. Of course, he hit him cleanly a few times. It's a ****ing boxing match. Marquez owned his ass on clean-effective punching. You think a few stills are going to out-weigh the majority of the punches Pac landed? I'm probably one the few that don't deny that the compubox stats might be right (Although, they generally are ****ing off-based). However, Pac clearly didn't land the better shots. This is much is ****ing obvious to all the sane minds out there that scored the fight for Marquez while acknowledging Pac was aggressive and probably "out-landed him."

Please stop about bias. You haven't even shown a scorecard. You still think Pac would beat Floyd, and you think the guy on the right would even be able to compete with the guy in the left of your avatar.

 

Think people have got carried away. Marquez never dominated Pacquiao at all. The fight was worthy of a draw but I don't think Marquez done enough and threw to many rounds away towards 9-12. No robbery.

 

Yes, I have watched plenty of fights in slow motion. Haven't watched this one in slow motion yet, but will do so once it's available to me. How can you say which punches a spectator saw and didn't see? It's been shown in many videos compubox counts landed punches when they really weren't, and don't count landed punches from other fighters when they do land....

 

Actually he was very effective. Your slow eye really doesn't' mean much to me. He handed well in most of the exchanges and often got out the victor in those exchanges especially towards the end. You are scoring the slow counters because you have a slow eye.

What makes you think I have to think about it. I'm paying attention to who is the better offensive fighter all round. In a close exchange I'll score it to who initiated the exchange.

 

I dont pay any attention to compubox during the fight. I've simply watched enough fights to not think that the slower punch is the more effective punch like you do. Manny landed just as many lightning fast straight lefts as Marquez landed slow straight rights. Marquez was just slower so you saw them.

 

Slow counters are bad because they aren't. :rofl

Marquez countered, initiated most of the time.

Pac came forward but Marquez made him miss a lot, and tagged him.

Thats ineffective aggression which is not to be scored.

 

Compubox never illustrates how hard someone was hit, does it?

Pacquiao's head was rocked back several times in dramatic fashion. Marquez was landing the cleaner punches more consistently.

You can hardly even say Pacquiao was the aggressor because there were spots where Marquez bit down and came forward with a 3-4 punch combination.


Do you have a scorecard with Pac's 7 won rounds yet? I'd be interested in looking at it.

 

When have I ever said Pac's punches weren't more effective because they were faster? Nobody is saying Manny didn't land more, he probably did. We're saying JMM's were more effective and cleaner, and it's not because Manny's were fast. Manny has always thrown faster punches than his opponents, and nobody was saying the opponents were cleaner and clearer because they were slower... Because they weren't.. JMM's were though. :thumbsup

 

atsch

Scorecard or stfu.

More people scored the fight for Marquez because he won his rounds more clearly, more often. No influence, no expectations affecting people's judgement of the fight. That is why the more people watch and score the fight on a round by round basis, the wider the scorecards go for Marquez. 65% of ESB agree with me. 95% of fighters and trainers agree that Marquez won or that Pac deserved a draw at the very best. /Thread

 

I've watched it 3 times now each time marquez beats pac. Sorry tesco but you boy got spanked and the whole world saw it.

 

You be surprised how many punches that actually landed that you couldnt see when watching a video.

Majority of the people saw it in the big screen or on their TV, very few saw it on the ring side that close.

Theres a reason why the judges and compbox are right next to the ring.

 

He has nothing more than a bunch of bull**** rhetoric about how we were all simple-minded fools influenced by expectations. How about the influence of HBO. If anything that's where the influence is coming from. Nothing more evident in the disparity in scores between Primetime viewer scores and HBO viewer scores. Objectively, HBO was clearly biased as ****. Primetime scored it honestly.