Unbiased RBR scoring in slow-motion of Pac-JMM III

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  1. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ok, I will skip the clear rounds and only score the close rounds to see who really won them. I'm scoring and watching these punches in slow motion right now, pausing when I need to and not missing a single punch so without a doubt this is as unbiased scoring as it can get. BTW if you are gonna dispute something here, please watch it in super slow motion, pause at the exact moment and correct me if I'm wrong.

    Clear rounds:
    Pac - 6
    JMM 2, 5, 7, 8


    Round 1:
    Pac:

    1.48 power
    1.37 power (2 jabs may have landed previous to that)
    1.11 jab
    0.29 power
    0.08 1-2 ( I think only the jab landed)
    0.05 jab (JMM throws combinations which Pac slips)

    JMM:
    1.34 jab
    1.24 left hook to body (looks blocked or slipped) If someone has HD version, slow mo and pause to see for yourself.
    0.28 jab (maybe blocked)
    1.10 bodyshot x2
    1.11 jab
    0.01 bodyshots x2 (1 looks low)


    Difficulty in scoring some shots landed on Pac is that Pac blocks to defend, hard to tell if a punch gets through sometimes. Most of the time I give JMM the benefit of doubt. JMM pulls away from the punch so easier to tell. IMO a clear Pac round. The punches he landed was clear and his straight left even caused the red mark on Marquez nose as Lampley pointed out. JMM didnt land a clear power punch to Pac's head, just 5 bodyshots, 1 which looked low and 1 looked blocked.

    10-9 Pac.


    Round 2:
    Clear JMM.

    19-19

    Round 3:
    Pac:

    2.32 Jab
    2.28 Power (off balance left hand)
    2.23 Power (straight left)
    2.14 Power (straight left)
    1.55 Jab
    1.51 Power (Left to body)
    0.53 Power (Straight left)
    0.34 Jab
    0.24 Jab and straight left barely land as JMM pulls away from it
    0.15 Power (Straight left to head)
    0.09 Power (Perfect right hook counter)
    0.02 Power (Another right hook over JMM jab)

    JMM:
    2.28 Power (great uppercut)
    1.58 Jab
    1.53 jab
    1.37 Power (left hook to body)
    1.35 Power (Right hand following from a blocked uppercut)
    0.58 Power x2 (Right hand followed by left uppercut)
    0.48 Jab
    0.47 Jab
    0.40 Jab (To body)
    0.19 Power (Left hook hits Pac's back)
    0.02 Jab


    1.25 The view is blocked by the ref but Lampley comments JMM landed a right and Pac landed a left.

    Both landed the same amount of punches, difference is Pac was landing power punches to JMM's face, JMM landed mostly jabs and some half blocked bodypunches. Lampley also comments that Pac's counter right was the best punch of the fight so far, and Pac landed that twice. Pac's round.

    29-28 Pac

    Round 4:
    Pac:

    2.27 Jab
    2.27 Power (Straight left)
    1.35 Jab
    1.29 Jab
    1.28 Jab
    1.23 Power (left hook)
    0.56 Power (Maybe blocked cant tell)
    0.38 Power
    0.33 Power (Perfect lead left then slipped)
    0.31 Power (Lead left)
    0.23 Jab
    0.05 Jab
    0.05 Power (Left after jab)

    JMM:
    2.42 Jab
    2.35 Power (I dont know if the left hook landed or not from the angle but gonna say yes anyhow)
    2.08 Jab
    1.46 Power (left hook)
    1.37 Jab (to body)
    1.34 Jab
    1.29 Power (Straight right to head)
    1.21 Jab
    1.16 Power (Straight to body)
    0.54 Power (Left hook to body)
    0.52 Power
    0.12 Power (Straight to body)
    0.07 Power (Left hook top of head)
    0.05 Power x2 (I think JMM lands the first uppercut followed by a clean right)

    This was a very close round. Pac was landing some clean left and then slipping JMM's counters but IMO that last power punches landed by JMM to end the round seals it for him. I've noticed that JMM is landing a lot more bodypunches, mostly straight ones too so I'm not sure how the judges scored those. JMM's round.

    38-38

    Round 5:
    Clear JMM

    48-47 JMM

    Round 6:
    Clear Pac

    57-57

    Round 7:
    I didnt watch this in slo-mo but its clear its Marquez's round. Pac had his moments in last minute but got outlanded in the 1st 2 minutes.

    67-66 JMM

    Round 8:
    Pac:

    2.20 Power (Grazing right hook)
    2.11 Power (Left hook inside not much torque)
    1.38 Power (Lead to body)
    1.23 Power (right hook)
    1.16 Jab
    0.54 Power (right hook)
    0.48 Power (Clear lead left)
    0.36 Power
    0.13 Jab
    0.07 Power (lead left)
    0.05 Jab

    JMM:
    2.41 Power (Lead right)
    2.14 Jab
    2.11 Power (exchanged clead right hand)
    2.06 Power (uppercut/hook)
    2.04 Power (Hook to body)
    1.38 Jab
    1.41 Power (Lead right to body)
    1.26 Power (Clean right)
    0.37 Jab + power x2 (JMM lands his jab followed by a left right combination)
    0.32 Power (maybe blocked right hand)
    0.14 Power (Lead right)
    0.06 Power (Grazing right hand)
    0.03 Jab

    IMO a close but clear JMM round. He was landing cleaner punches, landed more and he got a combination off, something Pac failed to do.

    77-75 JMM

    Round 9:
    Pac:

    2.22 Power (Left hook)
    2.12 Power (Lead left)
    2.07 Power (Lead left exchanged for JMM's jab)
    1.55 Jab
    1.36 jab + Power ( Hook to body)
    1.33 jab
    1.25 Power (right hook)
    1.12 Jab (Off the lead left and short jab step to side)
    0.53 Power (Right hook)
    0.50 Power (Lead left)
    0.49 Power (Left hook inside combination)
    0.47 Jab
    0.30 Jab
    0.29 Power (Right hook)
    0.26 Jab (leaping jab)
    0.20 Power (Lead left)
    0.11 Power (Left hook)

    JMM:
    2.28 Power (First shot blocked followed by right hand that gets through the guard although Lampley comments Pac blocked both.)
    2.16 Power (Right hook)
    2.07 Jab
    1.59 Power
    1.57 Power x2 (Left hook to body, uppercut, blocked right hand)
    1.15 Power (Grazing hook from a combination trade)
    0.55 Power (left hook lands inside a combination)
    0.50 Jab
    0.46 Power (Perfect overhand right)
    0.31 Power x2 (Uppercut and right down the middle)
    0.20 Jab
    0.11 Power (Lead uppercut)

    Close round. Pac looked great towards end of round, doing his usual jumping around and punches from all angles but JMM was dodging all and moving away perfectly.

    This is one of those rounds that could really go either way, Pac landed more but IMO JMM looked better in his combinations. Not all of them land but Pac would stand and block the punches, when JMM lands its a lot clearer and Pac's hair bounces. When Pac lands, JMM is moving away from it taking away the force. I'd have to give it to JMM.

    87-84 JMM

    Sidenote, surprisingly, my stats agree with the compubox numbers for that round.

    Round 10:
    Pac:

    1.50 Power (right hook)
    1.47 Jab
    1.40 Power (uppercut)
    1.36 Power
    1.28 Power (Right hook)
    0.55 Power
    0.52 Jab
    0.46 Jab
    0.11 Power (lead left)
    0.10 Power (Right hook)
    0.08 Jab
    0.06 Jab
    0.04 Power + Jab (Not sure if the first str8 left landed or JMM pulled away from it)

    JMM:
    2.45 Power
    2.14 Power
    1.50 Power (Straight right)
    1.36 Power
    1.34 Power x2 (JMM catches him in a combination)
    1.18 Jab
    0.55 Power
    0.30 Jab
    0.22 Power
    0.09 Power (To body)
    0.04 Power (Left hook)

    Again like round 9 very close round. They both landed the same amount of power punches, I think JMM's was clearer but Pac landed more overall and was pressing the attack. Could go either way and I'd call it EVEN but pushed to choose, I would go with JMM's cleaner shots over Pac's aggression and output.

    97-93 JMM

    Round 11:
    Pac:

    2.27 Jab'sh
    2.16 Power (clean lead left)
    2.10 Power (straight left to body, obstructed by ref partially but Lampley calls the shot)
    2.05 Power (Straight left lands in 4 punch combination)
    2.04 Power x2 (Right hook followed by a partially blocked uppercut)
    1.59 Jab
    1.52 Jab (Reaching)
    1.27 Power (perfect hook as JMM leads in with a right)
    1.19 Power + Jab (Reach left hand followed by a right jab)
    1.17 jab
    0.54 Power (right hook over jab)
    0.32 power (small left inside but he was partly off balance due to being hit by JMM's right)
    0.13 power (leaping lead left)

    JMM:
    2.12 Power (Bodyshot that lands on Pac's chest/arm)
    2.02 Power (Left hook)
    1.59 Power (grazing uppercut)
    1.51 Power
    1.24 Power x2 (uppercut + right hand combination)
    0.35 Jab
    0.33 Power x2 (right hand grazed followed by a left hook)
    0.24 Jab
    0.13 jab (Not sure if this landed, Pac was moving away)
    0.06 Power (clear right hand that goes through the partial block)

    This one was still a close round but nowhere near as close as 9 & 11. Pac won this one, he landed more and was landing clear punches too, JMM looks to have taken this round off and did most of his work last minute of the round.

    106-103 JMM

    Round 12:
    Pac:

    2.07 Power (Pac lands a left hook as he comes up whilst tangled)
    1.48 Power (Clean lead left)
    1.27 Jab (light)
    1.25 Power (Clean lead left)
    0.54 power (check hook causing JMM to miss with his lead right)
    0.14 Power (Reaching right hook to body)
    0.05 Power (Straight left half lands after a failed jab)

    JMM:
    2.27 Jab (I cant tell if it landed or not cause of the angle)
    1.43 Power (Straight right)
    0.28 Power (overhand right, cant tell if blocked or not)
    0.26 Power (straight right goes through)

    IMO a clear round for Pac. Pac pushed, worked more, landed more and had the cleaner blows. JMM was trying to play safe thinking he bagged it which he may have. If someone disagrees with his, please post your own breakdown, time of the round, punches landed.

    115-113 JMM.

    One thing is clear from this fight. Pac's 1-2 was completely ineffective. Everytime JMM saw or left the jab, he ducked the straight left coming. What was really effective for Pac was his lead left and right hook, pretty much all punches he landed that night was one of the 2. ALso its amazing to see how they were both making each other miss or blocking the punches. JMM would usually slip Pac's punches so its clear Pac was missing, Pac would often block JMM's punches and would look like they landed.

    My own compubox numbers posted in page 5!
     
  2. cesare-borgia

    cesare-borgia Übermensch in fieri Full Member

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    I scored he first 6 like that as well:thumbsup
     
  3. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    If I can get hold of a decent copy, I think I might do the same thing.
     
  4. mrtony80

    mrtony80 Likes thick chicks Full Member

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    Wow, I though I was a boxing nerd...:lol:
     
  5. Badlok

    Badlok Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i score it on fast foward 120-120
     
  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    :lol:
     
  7. AnthonyW

    AnthonyW ESB Official Gif Poster Full Member

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    I'd watch it in slow mo to pick up on little tricks both boxers employ, but I wouldn't score it in slow mo...I'd rather score it the way it's supposed to be scored. To each their own, I guess.
     
  8. Jeff Young

    Jeff Young Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I had them even after 6 rounds, I gave the 4th to Pacquiao.
     
  9. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You could, but how its scored watching it real time is very subjective. In a midst of an exchange its easy for a viewer to see 1 guy landing 4 and the other 1 or 2 whilst another viewer sees the opposite. Hence why judges scorecards differ so much and people cry robbery. Watching it in slo-mo is still somewhat subjective but a lot more definite answer. If you can be bothered that is but I wanna see for myself. I have no idea how I'm gonna score the next few rounds.
     
  10. AnthonyW

    AnthonyW ESB Official Gif Poster Full Member

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    It will be interesting to see how you score round 8. I couldn't split them, even round on my card.
     
  11. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    I have the exact same score as the TS for the first 8 rounds so far, except for round 4 which I gave to Pac the 2nd time I scored it, but to JMM the first time I scored it.

    Rounds 1,4,8,11 are among the harder to judge to me
     
  12. D50

    D50 Active Member Full Member

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    Great topic so far; looking forward to the final rounds.
     
  13. fytelod

    fytelod Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  14. Cableaddict

    Cableaddict Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Regular speed or slo-mo, 80% of Pac's punches still hit nothing but air, and another 10% were completely blocked.

    It all comes down to how many gifts you want to give that trumped-up little racoon-faced pretender to the throne.
     
  15. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    :yep