Pac-Marquez-watched again

Not me, brus.But regardless of my thoughts on Pac as a 140lber\welter, i think this does go down as one of the great past-prime lazarus efforts.Brilliant stuff considering Marquez' age, being out of his own weight comfort zone and having imo looked very much an aging vulnerable fighter in recent years.

Best clip is the perfect lead uppercut in the 2nd gif

 

I guess two things surprised me about this fight:

1. Why did so few give Marquez a chance? Admittedly, he was dominated by Mayweather, but outside of that, his recent fights were convincing and spectacular wins against pretty good opponents. Let's also not forget his 2nd fight with Pac was only a few years ago and dead even as well. I will say I favored Pac, but anything more than a 2:1 favorite was stretching things, I thought. My main concern was that Marquez gave up part of his stamina and speed by bulking up, but that turned out not to be the case.

2. Why was Pacquiao so inactive? In most of his recent fights (same weight), he threw at least 60 punches per round. Against Marquez, he averaged only 47. In addition to that, many of them were flicking, range-finding jabs that didn't really do nothing. I very well remember the Diaz fight where he was throwing 90 punches per round, for 9 rounds straight. He looked to be from a different planet back then. Last weekend, he looked lethargic and almost lackluster, although Marquez' skill and timing added to the trouble.

 

Probably because he's old, pretty slow, well above his best weight and a lot of people didn't think his recent performances were spectacular by any stretch.

Pac was rightfully a big favourite even though i personally feel he had been getting really overestimated as a 140\147 fighter.

 

I think they (Pacquiao camp) got too cocky with all the talk of him impoving so much and they thought they could play a chess match with Marquez and still beat him. Pacquiao was even trying to counter punch him, but Marquez wouldn't get greedy and come. Ironically, Pacquaio would've probabily been better off being more wreckless like in the other fights and carrying Marquez faster than he could box. He would've had much more success with his power punches that way, as Marquez is not the hardest to hit.

The other reason is because Marquez is able to off-set Pacquiao rhythm and turn his positive body rhythm into a negative. He disrupts his flow and forces him to think. Pacquiao was thinking too much.

 

Great couple of posts there form slip/counter and Chris. People arguing "scoring" and "mayweather" so much, precious little actual analysis.

Yeah, I agree I think Pac would have been better off trying to overwhelm Marquez. He did look like he was trying to do to much boxing there, especially early.

 

7-2-3 is a great scorecard IMHO.

 

:deal

You have to virtually give nearly ever swing round to Pac to make it a draw or Pac win.

 

9-3 Is an even better score. I saw no decisive rounds for Pacquiao.

 

Pac's lost his intensity. The reason Nacho was right in saying Marquez had a better chance now is because Pac has become more technical conscious, and less unpredictable. I also believe that Roach got lulled into thinking Pac improved so much that he thought Pac could box, counter, and dazzle Marquez with great footwork and angles. This turned out to a serious mistake when this plan fall flat on its face, and it became more apparent as the fight wore on that Pac had to become more desperate and revert himself to different approach. When Pac became more desperate he started putting Marquez more of his uncomfort zone. It was the Tasmanian Pac of the early days that was unpredictable and had a killer instinct that never allowed Marquez to get too comfortable (Or his ass would be on the canvas).

Out of all the fights, it's the strangest that Pac didn't floor Marquez when it was above his best weight, and past his prime. But it's clear for the reasons why that I outlined above as to why this didn't occur.

 

Ah, well this was the essence of my post. Should have read this before I posted. I agree completely.

Pac did improve, though. The counter right hand was an option infrequently, but still far more than in the previous two fights. The problem is that right hand barely seemed to come into play during an attack. It looked all the same ol' 1-2, 1-2, after awhile. There was a point in the fight, I believe Round 9 were Pac is extremely frustrated and wings the wildest of right left back to back. He looked amateurish at times when he got mad. The fact Pac has had things so easy lately, I think that made this an even more difficult experience for him to digest and handle (Although he fought hard in the end to have any chance of winning it in the "judges" eyes).

 

1. I gave him a chance but to an extent but bought into the Pacquaio improvements hyperbole. The concept that Pacquaio would be too strong, that Marquez reactions would be shot, etc

2. Because everytime he tried something he missed and took a flush hard counter for his trouble. Pressure fighters normally see their output go down against defensively astute counter punchers. Against a Diaz/Margarito his output would have been back upto 90 punches a round

 

That's the way I see it PTP

I disagree that he's lost anything, I think this is the same Pacman who faced Marquez last time, except this time Marquez was more focused on making less mistakes for Pacquaio to capitalise on. So Pac couldn't put him down but some rounds were closer as a result

Roach actually gave Pacman the right plan, getting him to move to his right to set up punches. Except it didn't work because Marquez was smarter with the footwork

Pacman couldn't really get his right hook off because Marquez moved to his left taking it away setting up his own jab/hook, while also controlling the range. When Pac came inside he got smashed with the right. The footwork and timing is what controlled the fight for Marquez

 

:huh

No, maybe that sorta **** happens to you but not to me.

Marquez won the fight.