Froch: "Bute is out of the equation, really"

The only facts are:

- For his comeback, Kessler faced Bouadla, an orthodox fighter, instead of a southpaw. From then, it was obvious where Sauerland was going. It was not towards Bute
- Sauerland is giving many millions to Stieglitz to fight in Copenhagen
- Sauerland is giving far less money to Kessler, so little in fact it's hard to think he couldn't have as much against Bute

Your supposed bogus offer is your personal theory. I don't buy it. Sauerland did not showed any interest to negociate a fight between Kessler and Bute.

 

I have re-read and I stand by what I said.You were doing well up until then,and I really wish Bute fans would stop giving so much credence to the "Bute beat Johnson better" theory.Like I said before,that logic does not stand up to scrutiny e.g. everyone who beats Johnson is better than Roy Jones.Your whole post is a completely biased attack on Froch which is a shame because you were fairly reasonable before that.

 

Bika.....tough but limited.
Andrade.....nearly spoilt Butes party in the first fight,but credit to Bute for winning the 2nd fight.
Miranda......past his best,and at a weight he's done sweet FA in.
Magee.....go back and look what a "green" version of Froch did to him.
Johnson.....refer to "Miranda".If you like to use Johnson as a barometer,being the "common" opponent,please bear in mind that this is a very unreliable method for predicting results.Froch was losing to Taylor,the same Taylor who was mauled by Abraham,and yet Froch put a onesided beatdown on Abraham,without breaking sweat. :good

 

Froch did not react well when he lost to Kessler. He's still crying he has been stolen. Well. He has not. He lost and he just can't deal with it. So, to answer to your question: froch may well be the one afraid of losing... again.

 

You forget that what made Bute look good against Johnson will do the same against Froch. Styles makes fight doesn't work your way in this example. All Bute showed against Johnson would make him beat Froch.

Anyway, I can do the same about Froch's resume. He was losing on points against Taylor, he did lose against Dirrell but robbed him, lost against Kessler, struggled against Johnson and beat a very very green Pascal, who struggled to make weight. Froch has one single impressive win: against Abraham, who is laughable stock at SMW. So easy...

 

Who is a better challenge than Bute? I think this is the real question? Kessler won't be available until in a year. Pascal is at LHW and doesn't have a belt anymore. Does it make sense for Froch to face him now? Who?

There is without a doubt no other choice than Bute. I think it's only trash talking like Froch does all the time. He says one thing one days, the opposite the next day. If Bute is not good, face him, take the cheque and the belt. If Froch really believes Bute is not good, he would be idiot not to face him.

 

laffie , please , is pointless to argue with this people ! most of them are trolls ! They know that Bute is the big deal at smw div. but they love to be keyboard warrios !

 

I think this is a very good objection and, to be sincere, I haven't thought of it 'till now. It's a good example firstly because of the time stream.
On the other hand the I totally disagree with the Magee comparison. Greener Froch, greener Magee and I had it even 'till the KO. Froch literally struggled in that fight (two judges had only a 1 point advantage for Froch). It would have changed his career. Also, I usually don't put my money on boxers that get a late KO after being dominated or struggle. Abraham was a lesson to be taught in that matter.

 

it's as simple as this:good

if it was as simple as taking candy from a baby...why not do it? if some one can give me a good reason, i would love to hear it. have not as of yet...:blabla

 

Taylor got walked down in the later rounds and stopped.
Dirrell fight was close,not a robbery.
Kessler fight was close,but Froch was lazy.
Johnson..you obviously didn't see that fight,if you beleive Froch "struggled".
He BEAT Pascal,whatever version.
I started a thread about the outcome of the super 6 just before the tourney began,i said then Abraham was a blown up middle,who couldn't make 160,and would be bullied by a real SMW,but after KO'ing Taylor,some were predicting he'd win the whole thing !!! and that he'd KTFO of Dirrell and Froch.

Froch keeps winning,and keeps proving people wrong,will he beat Ward,would he beat Bute..................lets wait and see. :good

 

I hope they do fight ASAP.It's the only way we'll find out.As for the "keyboard warriors"
quote.Most of the aggression is from Bute fans.I don't go for hiding miles away behind a keyboard and monitor,acting like a cardboard gangster myself.

 

Well, I think you haven't got the point (this is rather strange considering you pointed out I wasn't able to understand your sarcasm, actually I was trying to clear out the issue). You decided to close the debate with Orbete because of his 3rd conclusion you underlined in his message. He tried to explain you (maybe his explanation wasn't clear enough) that his 3 conclusions were alternative explanations of Froch's declarations, and the 3rd was obviously a joke.
Now you get here with this uncorrelated stuff about common opposition they've met: whether this could be indicative to some extent, the value of the argument is by no means absolute and cannot be safely extrapolated to predict the eventual outcome of a match Froch-Bute. Having said that, let's figure out for a moment that you are Carl Froch, you know that Johnson gave you a tough fight and 5 months later more or less the same Johnson is totally neutralized by Bute: is it conceivable that you get a bit worried about Bute real boxing skills?! It's not about how some of the forumists do interpret the one sided Bute-Johnson fight but about what might be Froch's unspoken thoughts.

 

Another pointless post.

Why not comment and debate,throw in some analysis,and some facts.Don't join a public forum if you don't like people disagreeing with your oppinions,and try to post on threads other than Bute threads,otherwise people will start to think your another Bute nuthugger,who is blinded by favouritism,and/or national pride.
This forum is full of trolls,but i've not seen any on this thread.
The keyboard warrior comment i don't understand.

 

I didn't close any debate,as for your comment about common opposition,ESB is full of Bute fans going on about how Bute beat Johnson more convincingly,so you are only confirminjg what I already know.I also don't think calling anyone a "mental ******" adds anything worthwhile to an informed debate.What are you?His big brother?Is this your alt account when you want to come on and talk nonsense.Don't think I'm in any way intimidated because you choose to check your thesaurus before you post.I have no problem with Bute,just his fans who refuse to acknowledge he is unproven and talk utter nonsense.Check back and you'll see that unlike you and your little brother,I have never attacked the fighter personally.

 

I am 100% sure that Kessler will rematch both Froch and Ward.
The real problem will be their next fight. After the S6 will end they'll fight the "bums", "cans" and "cab drivers" that Bute fought because they have no other option. They'll say that it's a well deserved break after such a tough tournament. ...But wait, there's still a great name to be beaten.
Sartison, you're going to be rich my man! The New Year will bring you Ward, Bute and Froch knocking at your door .
I'll have no objections if Froch or Ward refuse to fight Bute and go to LHW to take on Bhop, Cloud or Dawson. But I really doubt it.