Super Middleweight rankings:

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  1. Samurai's Slice

    Samurai's Slice ESB Legend Full Member

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    1. Lucian Bute or Andre Ward ( Not here to debate this so I am not concerned who. )
    2. Lucian Bute or Andre Ward
    3. Mikkel Kessler
    4. Carl Froch
    5. Glen Johnson
    6. Kelly Pavlik
    7. Thomas Oosthuizen
    8. Robert Stieglitz
    9. George Groves( Not sure why I wrote 2 Tommy O.'s )
    10. Sakio Bika

    Just behind: Librado Andrade, Don George, Jesus Gonzales, Brian MaGee, James DeGale, and Edwin Rodriguez.
     
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  2. SJS19

    SJS19 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Froch is number 4?! When Bute has beat B level fighters and then Glen Johnson?

    I have work, or I'd debate further!
     
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  3. Samurai's Slice

    Samurai's Slice ESB Legend Full Member

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    :patsch Compare the G.J. wins, Bute UD Johnson ( 119-109 ) and Froch UD Johnson ( 116-112 ). Don't say GJ had an off night, He couldn't hit Bute. See you wanna play the stats game I can to. Also he lost to Kessler so he is behind Kessler, Close or not. I'd do the same if Johnson would have bet Bute.
     
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  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    Scenario:

    Say #4 Froch beats #1/2 Ward, and #3 Kessler beats #8 Stieglitz in dominant fashion to begin yet another reign...

    Obviously Bute is then #1 whether he was before or not.

    Who is #2, though? :think Froch or Kessler?

    The win over #1/2 Ward counts for a lot more than a win over #8 Stieglitz, but Kessler a) began higher b) has the h2h win over Froch and c) still has a pretty good and not altogether meaningless win over a B-level titlist in Stieglitz - and one who's top ten by this list. (just because it isn't a great win like one over Ward doesn't mean it carries no weight at all)
     
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  5. Escopeta

    Escopeta Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ward
    Kessler
    Bute

    Abraham, Sartison, Balzsay, Kashtanov, Groves definitely ahead of Magee, Degale, Rodriguez
    Oosthuizen is twice in there.. 7+9 are there two of them? :lol:
     
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  6. lewishamboy

    lewishamboy Styles Impetuous Full Member

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    Bute at 1 or 2? :patsch :lol:

    Kelly Pavlik at number 6?? :rofl

    Thomas Oosthuizen at 7 and 9?

    This was not a very well thought through list now was it :nono


    After Dec 17th Froch will be undisputed Number 1 anyway :happy

    Bute will carry on fighting cans and old men in his backyard, a place where he knows he can be knocked out cold and still win the fight :-(
     
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  7. Evian McGirt

    Evian McGirt Drink some water baby! Full Member

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    :lol: Well spotted.

    Does anyone know if there's any official word on Abraham - is he staying at super mid or heading back down to 160?

    I'd love to see him back at middle mixing it up.
     
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  8. Boxing in montr

    Boxing in montr Mandatory challenger Full Member

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    1) Ward
    2) Froch
    3) Bute
    4) Kessler
    5) Dirrell
    6) Johnson
    7) Stieglitz
    8) Oosthuizen
    9) Bika
    10) Pavlik
     
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  9. IntentionalButt

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    I won't get into the Bute thing now. There are plenty of threads on the "correct" relative placement of Bute, Froch and Ward.

    Pavlik, well...#6 might be a litlte generous but then again how many super middleweights would you confidently tip against him outside the top half dozen or so? :think


    ...and what's your beef with Ooishuizen cracking a top ten? Rising star in a a weak (as in top-loaded) division.
     
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  10. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    Pathetic.

    Ward and Froch are clearly 1 and 2.

    Bute is that high based on if's and but's.

    I believe he's the goods and he would beat Froch and perhaps Ward as well. But his record doesn't justify rating him number one.

    He's been in witness protection, feasting on left-overs, whilst the top guys have been duking it out.
     
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  11. bad_guy

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    Where is George Groves then?

    Your top 10 sucks.
     
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  12. Samurai's Slice

    Samurai's Slice ESB Legend Full Member

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    If Froch beats Ward Here is how it would look.:

    Froch/Bute
    Froch/Bute
    Kessler
    Ward
     
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  13. lewishamboy

    lewishamboy Styles Impetuous Full Member

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    No beef he looks a good prospect, just not sure he deserves to be ranked twice in the top ten...:shock:
     
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  14. Samurai's Slice

    Samurai's Slice ESB Legend Full Member

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    What is everyone's top 10. I don't care about your top 3 with Froch Ward and Bute. You can tell me Groves isn't top 10, But why not? He is barley top 10. You could argue he is only Top 15 but it is an opinion.
     
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  15. PityTheFool

    PityTheFool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :dealPerfection.:good
     
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