Unbiased RBR scoring in slow-motion of Pac-JMM III

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I just want to say that I actually do respect & applaud dangerousity for his effort here, even though I'm mystified by some of his scoring.

At least this is a careful, cerebral attempt at an analysis, which is open to discussion & criticism. So KUDOS.

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It's funny how much this fight is turning everyone into mortal enemies.

boxing used to be fun.

 

Seriously guys, to each their own but I think its taking it to far watching it in slo-mo etc.... I applaud the time & effort but all it takes is to watch it in real time, don`t get me wrong, I re-watched several close rounds of the fight but never used slo-mo at any point.

Marquez won more rounds & landed the better punches in 90% of the rounds too, the guy deserved the decision.

 

You've just mentioned two of the most respected groups on this forum. :deal

 

So, now long, bouncy hair should be added to the list of ******* excuses. Just when you think they can't get any more stupid they come up with yet another hilarious attempt to "prove' their point.

 

I was drunk as **** when i watched it and scored it 7-5 Marquez, but after reading all these threads/posts I'm starting to think my brother was right, he scored it 7-5 Pac. Gonna rewatch it saturday, while not so drunk, and will give a much better score card...

 

So after reading all these threads/posts where the great majority seem to feel
JMM won the fight you now ......................ugghhh..atsch

 

******* just trying to act like he is unbiased.:rofl

 

Maybe you can try and act unbiased too. :nut

 

We can only say "unbiased" or "objective" once we realize our own biases. In my case, when I score a round, I must be aware that I am a Pacquiao fan and should take that into consideration. Also, scoring can be affected by the surroundings, just like a referee in basketball may be influenced by the hometown crowd. Having to score the rounds in slow motion indicates that the fight was very difficult to score. A number of fans changed their mind after watching the replay. So before crying out of being robbed, people should realize that a very close fight like that may different scores from different judges.

That said, I agree with Marquez that the next fight should include impartial judges (again that term), or should include one Filipino and one Mexican judge.

 

As far as I know, there is no rule about this in the pros. In the amateurs, arm shots don't count, but professional boxing is supposed to be scored on "effective aggression." This can mean anything, of course. IMO, if a fighter lands hard blows to his opponents arms, this is effective aggression. It wears the arms down, just like body shots.

I have NEVER been able to find any specific rules on this. It's always just up to the judges. (this makes it much easier to fix fights.) I'd be very interested to know what HBO's "official" rules are for inputting the compu-box numbers. I wonder if they even have any?

 

the fight could have gone either way but i tell you guys, no amount of backpedalling even with good counterpunching can win you fights.

 

no way JMM won 12, he barely hit anything, he was missing most of his punches

 

your scoring is bias

proof

you score other rounds base on who landed more, then you score base on cleaner punches or how much a persons hair bounces

and wtf is this type of scoring? basing it on Pacs hair bouncing? if Marquez had longer hair, it would be bouncing aswell, and how do you know the force is being taken away because hes backing away?

bias scoring.

 

People are missing the point of why some would want to score this fight in slow motion. There isn't much doubt Marquez won. They only want to confirm what they already know. Not learn who the winner was. I did this once with a controversial fight (Calzaghe/Hopkins) and the actual results of slowing that fight down were eye opening to say the least. Hopkins outlanded Calzaghe by a wide margin. These situations go a long way in proving how little most people can actually see taking place in real time. Something else many of us are already well aware of.

 

Three questions:

Given that you chose to watch in slo-mo and take such pains, wouldn't you agree that the fight was sufficiently close and difficult to score, and that so many rounds could have 'legitimately' been scored to either fighter, that the term 'robbery' has no place here ?

And don't you think that the fact that one guy failed to live up to pre-fight expectations while the other greatly exceeded those same expectations, the latter might have been the beneficiary of faring better than expected ?

Finally, while the state of the fighters faces is not definitive in scoring a fight, given that Marquez was significantly bruised and busted up, while Pac was largely unmarked (and he does mark !), is it possible that Pac's punches were more effective than many on here are claiming ?