Pac-Marquez III Scorecard & A Few Comments

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by horst, Nov 17, 2011.


  1. horst

    horst Guest

    I'll start with two comments before I get down to trying to score these rounds accurately:


    1 - Seriously, how can any real boxing fan say this wasn't a close fight???

    2 - This fight really does underline how insanely difficult to score boxing is compared to other sports. There were a few rounds in there which mean I really cannot have a strong conviction over the verdict. In a three-minute round where both guys throw and land a similar amount of punches, sometimes it really does feel arbitrary just picking out one factor/moment in order to call the round. I don't understand how anyone can be so decisive over some fights when there are rounds like these.


    Anyway, here goes, a tentative scorecard because some rounds were extremely, extremely close and highly open to interpretation (until the scoring system or the form of a boxing match changes, this will continue to happen):

    ONE: Pacquiao 10-9 Marquez / Pac lands better punches, couple of good straight shots / CLOSE

    TWO: Pacquiao 9-10 Marquez / CLOSE

    THREE: Pacquiao 10-9 Marquez / Pac lands better shots down the stretch / CLOSE

    FOUR: 10-10 / Pac is edging round until JMM lands good shots near end

    FIVE: Pacquiao 9-10 Marquez / CLEAR (clearest round of the fight)

    SIX: Pacquiao 10-9 Marquez / Pac outworks him / CLOSE

    SEVEN: Pacquiao 9-10 Marquez / Pac lands a couple of quality shots near end, but overall a Marquez round / CLEAR

    EIGHT: Pacquiao 9-10 Marquez / Edged by JMM landing the cleaner shots / CLOSE

    NINE: Pacquiao 10-9 Marquez / Very tricky to score. JMM lands good combos, Pac outworks him, lands good shots near end / CLOSE

    TEN: 10-10 / Very difficult to score

    ELEVEN: 10-10 / JMM lands 2 best shots of the round, but Pac does more work. Round could be scored any way and it wouldn't be wrong / CLOSE

    TWELVE: Pacquiao 10-9 Marquez / Another killer to score, but Pac is the only one who lands a decisive, significant punch to punctuate the fight / CLOSE


    Number of close rounds: TEN out of TWELVE

    Number of clear rounds: TWO out of TWELVE (5 ,7 - both to Marquez)


    Final score: Pacquiao 115-115 Marquez



    Some Further Comments


    - The fact that Marquez won the two clearest rounds of the fight (5, 7) is one of the several key reasons why many were shouting "robbery" in the immediate aftermath

    - One thing I noticed was that Marquez's punches were more eye-catching because when Pac landed he landed straight punches which were thrown from quite far back and so didn't land with full power, whereas Marquez landed shots he turned his body into and therefore looked more effective, but it was Pacquiao who landed more in more rounds I think

    - The last 3 rounds could probably all have been scored either way, which is why I think people with extremely strong convictions over who won is silly. I've seen people saying Marquez was robbed and I've seen people saying Marquez cannot have won the fight - both are very wrong IMO




    Final Note


    My card for the 1st fight was 115-112 Pacquiao

    My card for the 2nd fight was 114-114

    My card for the 3rd fight was 115-115

    Therefore, after 36 rounds I have a majority draw, of sorts.

    Do I want to see a fourth fight?

    Hell Yes is the answer!


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  2. horst

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    Have just realized that my card adds up to 116-115 Pacquiao, rather than 115-115. **** it, I changed and re-changed the last rounds a few times after re-watches and still didn't have a strong conviction over rounds 9-12. I either scored it 115-115 or 116-115 Pac. Will revise this tomorrow when I have time.
     
  3. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    they are hard fights to score because they have such spirited exchanges and both guys want to get the last punch

    Marquez is great because he always fires back when hit and tries to be last in the exchange judges i imagine like the guy who gets off last it would seem like they got the better of an exchange

    they fight such nip tuck battles

    i mean in 2 after round 8 they landed the same amount of shots
     
  4. EnterTheDragon

    EnterTheDragon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Often times Marquez looks like he lands the cleaner punches because whenever he makes contact, Pac's hair goes whipping around. His punches also look more devastating because Pac's off balance so much. You catch a guy off balance and it's always gonna look like he was stunned.
     
  5. Brauer

    Brauer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hair excuse again :lol: *******s are halarious
     
  6. Hook!

    Hook! Proud member of team G. Full Member

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    i have to disagree with your scoring but at least you are explaining your argument.
     
  7. EnterTheDragon

    EnterTheDragon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Watch Malignaggi with dreadlocks vs. Malignaggi w/ short hair. Tell me which punches have more visual flair.

    :lol:
     
  8. Chris85

    Chris85 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Jmm's punch were easier to see, pac's were less obvious. Noobs couldnt see the less obvious ones.

    Even the one that appear to hit pac were infact blocked.
     
  9. Chris85

    Chris85 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Pisstards et all like to watch batman fight, always full of sounds and visuals effect. :lol:
     
  10. Arcane

    Arcane One More Time Full Member

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    Yeah it was all an optical illusion :nut
     
  11. Chris85

    Chris85 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Too bad the end results doesnt agree with you :D
     
  12. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    LOL at this goon going through the whole fight picking out the closest rounds and trying to somehow make sense to not have Pacquiao losing.:rofl:rofl:nut:nut:nut


    What the **** are you doing, sifting through every round and trying to decide which round Marquez did'nt win as strongly so that you can somehow make a case for Pacquiao.

    Thats not how you do it you biased fowl smelling *******.
    You score the ****ing fight from round 1 and you do it in sequence round by round.

    "I cant ****ing score round X for Pacquiao, so I'm going to sift through and rewatch a few rounds until I get a ****ing result that fits my agenda."

    You're pathetic you piece of Caca!













    I'm sorry, but this clown really upsets me. The guy actually knows something about the sport and regularly posts in the Classic section, but his raging hard on for Manny Pacquiao is so that he cant ****ing be impartial about the scoring of this fight and in this scenario he's giving us in this thread, is'nt even trying to hide the fact he's a ******* with full blown irreversable "Pactadism.":-(


    You're not even trying to lie to yourself Popkins, you're *******ism is so that you're exhibiting the symptoms of a sick boxing fan in denial.
     
  13. Grillinnap

    Grillinnap Flomos are morons Full Member

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    Might as well have it 120-120.
     
  14. horst

    horst Guest

    :lol: I hope you die of arse cancer you pathetic stinktard. Roast in hell, ****-ant.
     
  15. unloco

    unloco Boxing Addict banned

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    Dude pac lost , get over it