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THE OFFICIAL fight night in pictures Marquez vs PAC III

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good shot!:goodtnx for posting.

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Damn it was a robbery lol

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I win three fights!

I robbed!

True story!

He looks like ****ing Quasimodo.

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marquez face in pac vs jmm IV - no wonder he wants $10 mill

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timeout, Nov 19, 2011

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sunnn said: ↑

hbo had a hard time tracking pac's movement as he chased marquez across the ring. they keep switching for better angles. well i watched it on crappy stream the first time. if you watched on hd, at a slower motion you will clearly see the punches. marquez was just too slow to react.
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Exactly.
PAC out brawled him in first two meetings.
Outboxed him in III.
Which is impressive.

timeout, Nov 19, 2011

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Now now Mary, calm down. :nono

The ease and regularity with which JMM landed the counter punches is the determining factor in this fight. And I'll tell you why his punches were cleaner and more decisive. The majority of his counterpunches were delivered with Pacquaio coming forward, walking onto them, or foolishly lunging in, as he does sometimes. You've got the force of the punch combined with Pacquaio's own momentum, resulting in strong, damaging punches landing. It was there for everyone to see. He regularly landed the uppercut and/or straight, snapping Pacquaio's head back. Fortunately for Pacquaio, he's got an ATG chin, rarely swells and only cuts occasionally. For JMM, swelling has been a problem historically. Practically every fight, he looks bad afterwards, regardless of how easily he might have won. It's just down to skin types, and to use it as a reason for him losing a fight is moronic beyond words. But back to the punching. In comparison to JMM's effective punching, Pacquiao's punching was largely out of range, missing or grazing as he was always reaching, trying to get to JMM. I'm NOT saying he didn't land anything clean all night, he obviously did, but all you have to do is watch the fight, he didn't land half as many clean shots as he usually does. JMM looked more effective in there.

I think there's this phenomena in the media and with certain fans where, in their minds, if Pacquaio throws a punch, or punches, that come anywhere even NEAR his opponent, then it MUST have landed cleanly, and it MUST have been devastating. Steve Bunce talked about it after the fight, calling it 'Manny disease'. It's almost as if the only way to beat him is to knock him out clean. I can understand it to an extent because he comes across as a humble man and people want to believe he's unbeatable and so on and so forth, but it's not reality. You can talk about Aggression all you like, but what it is? Manny following JMM around the ring does not constitute aggression. For large periods of the fight, Pacquaio was just as cautious, reluctant to throw more than jabs for fear of being countered. And on the few occassions they did get in close to each other, they both stood there and traded momentarily. Some would have you believe JMM pulled out of every engagement and 'ran' around the ring. Complete nonsense. A counter punching style does not make you a coward and it does not mean you can't be aggressive.

Along with that, two points:

1. Compubox doesn't mean anything. It's two guys, sitting at ringside, pushing buttons on a laptop. Just as susceptible to human failure as fans and judges are. And remember.. 'Manny disease' can affect those guys too.

2. Post fight damage is irrlevant to who won or lost a fight. You can use it to rubbish claims that Pacquaio didn't land anything, 'cause obviously he did, and anyone who says different is a fool. But you cannot use it to say he landed a huge volume of punches because of JMM's pre-disposition to easy swelling and damage.

I firmly believe JMM won this fight and absolutely nothing I've seen or heard has swayed me from that.
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Problem with scoring a close fight with Pac in it is that he is so fast you can hardly see if he lands cleanly or not. Might sound like an excuse, but you just cant. Judges and comp box guys have a better chance since they sit ringside. You cant blindly rely on comp box, but it is probably more reliable then a ESB-fan fallowing the fight in real time over a computer screen.

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AnotherFan said: ↑

Problem with scoring a close fight with Pac in it is that he is so fast you can hardly see if he lands cleanly or not. Might sound like an excuse, but you just cant. Judges and comp box guys have a better chance since they sit ringside. You cant blindly rely on comp box, but it is probably more reliable then a ESB-fan fallowing the fight in real time over a computer screen.
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Compubox is not be all end all but its a nice extra tool to have as to who edged the close rds.:good

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floyd is not impressed.
Where is guerroero!

timeout, Nov 19, 2011

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Marqueers and *****s are being owned in this thread LMFAO

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I give Pacquiao credit for laboring on against his old nemesis when he, Pacquiao, was clearly starched.. overtrained. Roach has been warning him about overtraining. Sometimes a good rest does more for you than a good workout.

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timeout said: ↑

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Got any clips in real time? I can't watch a seven minute higfhlight video done in slow motion.

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Got any clips in real time? I can't watch a seven minute higfhlight video done in slow motion.
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Not yet but I will make it.:good

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