The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

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This. I'd venture to say that the majority of Pac fans are fans because of his all-action style. Dude's a fighter, his greatness revolves around outfighting and outmacho-ing a guy in the ring. Put him up against those who fight negative who wants to "tactically" win a fight and your denying most fans of what they wanna see when they go watch Pac fight, ie...a firefight, fireworkks. The problem nowadays is, Pac simply outguns anyone right now who dares challenge him toe-to-toe...and he will actually get criticized if he were matched up with someone like that despite fighting with a size handicap in almost every fight. Imagine Pac fight Brandon Rios right now...that would be an exciting fan-friendly one-sided beatdown but obviously Pac would get no credit.

In short, the only somehwat competitive fight for Pac is aginst those who fight with the stick-and-move blueprint (actually its more like move and stick when its safe blueprint). Pac has proven he can beat backpedallers and boxers...but it has also proven that its not the exciting kind of Pac fight weve grown accustomed to. Itsa catch-22. Pac's held to a different standard then say Floyd....Floyd gets a pass for getting 12 round "boxing" decisions...thats what expected of him. With Pac, we expect to see back and forth action, give and take...wars of attrition. Thats the problem and where Pac gets alot of unwarranted heat....its a conflict of expectations vs reality. We want to see competitive fights but we also expect to see exciting fights with the Pacman. But the reality is for elite "boxers", theyre never gonna give that knd of fight. The blueprint is out, and its simple really---the best way to be competitive against Pac or to at least make him look pedestrian is to stay away long enough to counter him when he gets impatient or reckless. However, this doesnt guarantee a win but it does guarantee a letdown of expectations. So essentially u will have pac chasing and outworking a guy for 12 'tactical' rounds where there'll be alotta feints alotta lunges alotta defense...but not actually alotta fighting. .

 

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he just fought a boxer.

 

I can understand that, but that's not what was being said a couple yrs back. It was all about Pac fighting the best comp and fighting for the fans the best opponents and biggest challenges, that he didn't fight for money.

 

He asked for 10mil and was only offered 7mil(less money then Margo). Arum basically saying in order for you to get my potential cash cow you are going to have to get less money. You can't make 10mil and beat my future cash cow, where would that leave me.

Thus Mayweather thinking, Cotto can't even get me 10mil guaranteed **** he can't even get me 8mil guaranteed he needs to become a bigger draw. If Cotto would have fought Hoya and defeated Hoya they could have both made 20mil each fighting each other, I believe that was the plan.

 

See the thing is I don't care that team Pac does these things to make money and make Pac look like a monster hopefully making exciting fights. The problem is when other people do it they are called cherry pickers and duckers etc.. But its okay when you favorite fighter does it.

All these fighters risking there health and lives in the ring of course will look for the highest compensation possible. I don't really knock none of them for that. But only one guy gets singled out.

 

atsch With the exception of Floyd, De La Hoya had more boxing skills than all of these fighters you mentioned.

 

So what's Floyd's defense for ducking Williams, when he was at 147 and hot off his victory of Margarito? What's his defense for not fighting Martinez, who is still calling him out today?

 

Pac would destroy bradly and Devon. I do agree that he is milking PAC and has purposely kept him away from slick black/ hispanic boxers. If you look at Cotto vs PAC round 1, when Cotto boxed he had success. He tried to brawl and fight was over. Boxing fans knew this all of along about PAC and so does Arum.

PAC was at his best when he was reckless, but not that he is "refined" he degressed because he is more predictable. Your average so called "fan" isn't educated to see team PAC's hustle. Clottey was a "token" fighter. Everyone knows that he doesn't fight black fighters. When the Floyd fight didn't go through. He immediately put PAC in the ring with Clottey and we watch Clottey stand around and take a dive.

 

The "slick black" boxer is a myth. I don't think Bradley is slicker than Martinez or even Guerrero. You change his nationality and color then Bradley would be another "Mexican" fighter. He comes forward purposely with his head to protect him.

 

Which version of Cotto? The 140 lbs mauler or the post Margarito never looked the same version? Exactly. Pac cherry picks empty vessels, leftovers, and old men. Pac has been hidden from solid competition for years. It backfired this time.

Problem is, the ONLY thing left is the SLICKEST of the slick and Pac is running with his tail between his legs.

 

Not a myth. It is a style employed most often by Black fighters, but it can be employed by anyone. There are many examples of slick non-Black fighters.

I agree though, Bradley is not slick. He fights from the Mexican school of fighting.

 

He fought Hoya and Hatton for 35mil, Meanwhile Williams lost to Quintana and lost a lot of his appeal for a big fight.

Martinez is always a possibility, but Id rather he fight Pac first.Plus it matters how much money Martinez can really bring to the table.

If Martinez can get a fight with the Cotto-Margarito winner then that would give him the popularity to have big buzz for a Mayweather fight.

 

And there are many examples of black non "slick" boxer and the myth that you must be "slick" in order to be a better "boxer" Duran is Hagler considered less slick than Judah but we all agree he could "box" better than Judah.