The best elite\near elite fighters by division...with the least overall speed

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  1. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Only including fighters i feel i've watched enough footage of.



    Flyweight: Chartchai Chionoi

    Slow plodding feet, poor reflexes and below average handspeed

    Ways to get around this: Size, power, heart, awkward unpredictable offense


    Bantamweight: Khaosai Galaxy

    Slow feet, average reflexes and handspeed

    Ways to get around this: Huge power, strength, awkward unorthodox style, educated left-hand, fight bums

    Featherweight: Danny Lopez

    Average feet, poor reflexes and average handspeed

    Ways to get around this: Huge power, heart and recovery, workrate, consistent quality straight punching

    Lightweight: Rafael Limon

    Slow hands and feet, poor reflexes

    Ways to get around this: Durability, heart, big power and consistent pressure with awkward unpredictable offense

    Welterweight:Antonio Cervantes

    Average feet, handspeed and reflexes

    ways to get around this: size, big power, very good complete fundamentals and educated technical approach

    Middleweight:Carlos Monzon

    Average feet, handspeed and reflexes

    Ways to get around this: size, big power, great educated technical approach, great sense of distance and timing, great 15 round pacing, cold steely stare

    Lt heavy:Freddie Mills

    just plain slow

    Ways to get around this: workrate, awkwardness, heart

    Heavyweight:Rocky Marciano

    Slow feet, slow hands, below average reflexes

    Ways to get around this: Great natural fighting instincts, great power, durability, conditioning
     
  2. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    I disagree on Marciano having slow hands. That's horse ****. I would say he had average handspeed that was even faster than it looked because his reach was only 68". Remember, Marciano's right hand beat Walcott to the punch in the 13th round in 1952, and Walcott had very fast handspeed. Sure, Marciano's handspeed slowed down big time toward 1955, but around 1951-1952 Rocky was not slow.
     
  3. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    The rock is a legend but for me, he was slow of hand any way you slice it.What is interesting is how he overcame that.

    what would your picks be Suzie?I want to other peoples picks by weight.A lot of fans seem to have a hard time admitting fighters they rate or like don't have notable quickness though.That's partially why i started the thread actually.
     
  4. MrOliverKlozoff

    MrOliverKlozoff The guy in shades Full Member

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    To be honest, I never viewed Marciano as having slow hands either. I can see slow feet for sure though.
     
  5. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Not really. Slow feet, yes. Slow hands no.
     
  6. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace

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    Surely heavyweight belongs to big george?
     
  7. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    One thing i forgot to mention is that most of these fighters had solid to great timing on their shots, which can usually even things out or often overcome an overall speed disadvantage.
     
  8. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    It was either him or the rock, ultimately i went with Rocky because i felt he's slower than a good number of bigger men as well as those of similar size.I'm going to do Honourable mentions for each weight later.Foreman will no doubt be first mentioned for the Heavies.
     
  9. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Perhaps you need a new pair of glasses
     
  10. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Maybe because I haven't seen enough of Monzon yet but @ MW I'd say Mike McCallum .
    I also haven't seen Tony Thornton @ MW yet though .
     
  11. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    perhaps you need to get Rocky's **** out of your mouth.

    Lets see your own picks suzie.
     
  12. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace

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    Ah so lora are you saying that p4p the rock was a slower hw than george? I can buy into that actually.

    For some reason the ww pick and lhw pick don't sit well with me. Not criticising your choices but I think there could be better guys not best known for handspeed.

    Ww I think a good shout is margo. He doesn't get much credit today but for a short while he was top dog and viewed as an absolute h2h beast despite his hand speed.

    Lhw a better answer might be hopkins, as a lhw he's relied almost solely on timing and anticipation.
     
  13. Flea Man

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    Muangsurin. Slow hands and slow feet, coupled with poor balance and no defence.

    How he got round it: Iron chin and limitless stamina (didn't sit down between rounds) meant he still threw with intent after his opponent has wasted their energy punching him in the face. Retained massive clubbing power through 15 rounds.
     
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  15. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Is that some Thai shithouse, Flea?