Has manny pacquiao improved at all?

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  1. SJS19

    SJS19 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The point is that if your style of fighting is textbook, then it is far easier to study and pick apart. If you're a virtuoso (RJJ being my favorite example) you are far more difficult to prepare for.
     
  2. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

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    He has improved but he is past his prime (dunno how that works)
     
  3. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    I'd always said that he improved the power and accuracy of the right hand, as well as his ability to circle out to the right after landing a left, his counter-punching, his timing, his use of uppercuts, and his guard....but that all of these things were there in an almost complete form in their rematch. The improvements were there, but Marquez fought such a disciplined fight and has such a high Ring IQ that any innovation Pacquiao could bring, Marquez could figure out.

    Plus, once he consistently took the punching angle away laterally, feint constantly, break rhythm with aggression, counter in the pocket, and make Pacquiao nervous (without ever suffering a knockdown), all the cool "new" things Pacquiao wanted to do became merely academic.
     
  4. Gezabahai

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    Yes, Pacquiao has improved; Marquez has his number, so at the moment, his stock is down. Ali had trouble in all three fights against Norton, who wasn't half the fighter he was. They want a fourth fight, but Marquez is 38 and threw his heart and soul into this third fight. I doubt he'd get redemption in a fourth.
     
  5. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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  6. krishv123

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    Mayweather didn't even make weight vs Marquez, and even look at the body of Marquez at the weigh in...people underestimate the role of a strength and conditioning coach
     
  7. sauhund II

    sauhund II Boxing Addict Full Member

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    LOL, the excuses already......put him in with a face first flatfooted slugger and he will look great again..................I have said it for years and that is no disrespect to him and his accomplishments but he cannot box for ****.

    I do not believe all that BS that Arum dictates every single aspect, far from it, I am convinced that Pac, Roach /Arum never ever wanted Mayweather, the proof is in the pudding plus their excellent Hype/Marketing campaign they used to pitch those gimme fights against subpar opposition, for that they needed Mayweather .

    But they cornerned themselfes now..........JMM did not follow the script.

    I will give Pac credit if he goes the distance when he fights FMJ but IMO he will get stopped.
     
  8. Sunchild78

    Sunchild78 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He's improved against stationary targets. Against technical fighters, considering Marquez is the only real one he fought. I'm going to say no.
     
  9. evilsherwin

    evilsherwin Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He definately has improved imo, his defence is alot better and has a wider range of punches he utilises. Pac was landing his right all night on jmm whereas in his prvious fights he was relying alot on his fast 1-2s to get to his more tchnical opponent. look at the ledwaba an jmm fights. Pac also uses his jab more, definately uses his feet better in defence as well.

    I think pac tried to counter jmm too much last fight and should have mixed it up offensively istead of just tryng to box jmm. But what can you do when your opponent is backpeddling all night ane just waiting for counters? Even against mosely ppl said he exposes pac! lol what? mosely.didnt win one round.

    Ppl expect pac to demolish all his opponents, anythung less is a step backward
     
  10. ryan_c

    ryan_c Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah I think Pac is just looking to counter JMM in their 3rd fight, but JMM also just also waits. I thinks if Pac wants to, he can just make the fight boring and just wait to death himself, like what he did in round 1, which many though as Pac's round.
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  11. Gander Tasco

    Gander Tasco Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  12. evilsherwin

    evilsherwin Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Thats the thing, hes always said he wants to entertain which I think becomes his downfall against less active boxers. He becomes frustrated and sometimes chases directly instead of trying to proactivly cut off the ring. Imo he should have used his uppercut and went to the body more instead of just going for jmms head. He may have won more convincingly that way
     
  13. ryan_c

    ryan_c Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In round 1 Pac hit JMM with some straight left that makes him win the round. I believe if Pac wants too, he can make the fight very boring, by just mimicking round one, be contented on just doing pot shots when opportunity arrise. If Pac did this, he will win more rounds, and win comfortably.

    But as I told, Pac likes to entertain his fans.
     
  14. purephase

    purephase Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm not sure whether I like this "Pacquiao was just trying to entertain his fans and that's why he didn't look very good" excuse as much as the "He failed to impress on purpose in order to bait Floyd!" one.
     
  15. ryan_c

    ryan_c Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Pac can just wait to death himself for JMM to initiate first, but Pac did not. If you remember a few years ago when JMM was still at 126, I forget the name of the lesser opponent, JMM's opponent did not initiate the action, and JMM himself also wait, the crowd booed the whole fight.