If you dont think PBF can KO Pacquiao,then you clearly DKSAB!

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  1. IRONFIST178

    IRONFIST178 Member Full Member

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    The lamen would like to beleive"Mayweather cant hit as hard as Cotto or Margarito,therefore he cannot knockout Pacquaio".Not only is this a ridicolous way to think,but it also shows that whoever says this has a very limited boxing knowledge.Now lets go over the reasons why the chances of Pacman getting stopped by Floyd are very real.First off,Manny isnt exactly a defensive master.Sure,guys who are slow of foot like Cotto or Margarito can rarely get to him,but this is not the case with Mayweather.When Pac moves forward throwing combinations,he very often will fall off balance(even when he lands,often with his feet dangling in the air).Seasoned boxers such as Marquez and Morales have the boxing ability to exploit this.And Floyd Mayweathers hand speed,accuracy,punch selection and positiong are far superior to anyone who PacMan has ever fought.

    Now that we have established that PBF will have no trouble hitting MP,lets go over his history with fighters or situations in fights when he could hit his opponent at will.He is normally very conservative when it comes to punch count.However,look at what happened in the fights with Arturo Gatti,the eighth round of the Mosley fight,the start of the 4th round of the Ortiz bout,and so on.When PBF sees openings frequently,he tends to punch through them.He doesnt always land,though.But he will aganist Pacquaio.MPs defense would leave him wide open for Mays lead left hooks and str8 right hands.

    As anyone whos ever boxed knows,its the punches that you cant see that hurt you the most.De la hoya remarked on this after his bout with Money.If Floyd is such a soft puncher then how does he get to intimidate his opponents from coming in,IN EVERY FIGHT?Think about it.Floyds power is deceptive.I would say about 80% of his punches are thrown without fully turning his body and "sitting down"on his shots.He sure did sit down on that right that KTFO Ortiz,and look what he did at the begining of that round.Also,take a look at some of the right hands he landed on Mosley.When he sits down and doesnt potshoot,he has considerable power.

    All these things considered,I could picture Floyd tagging Manny with a srt8 right and lead left hook all night.A few combos here and there,he will pretty much land when he wants to.As soon as he starts turning his body on the shots he would really hurt Manny like never before.Manny would get mercifully stopped by Freddie Roach in the 12 Round.Quote me on that!!!

    (DKSAB=Dont Know **** about boxing)
     
  2. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    emmanuel will be lunging in even more than usual in attempt to get at Floyd. A master counter-puncher like Floyd can time a counter in this situation and use the lunger's own force against them
     
  3. Jai C

    Jai C Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You make a very good point. This exactly the way I see it. This fight imo can't possibly live up to the hype.
     
  4. Manny go eat right hands all night. great breakdown of what will be a onesided fight eeeeeazy work
     
  5. puga_ni_nana

    puga_ni_nana Dempsey Roll Full Member

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    marquez, the smaller man and also a natural counterpuncher, was coming forward against floyd the whole night and the best floyd could do was flash knockdown him. even a shot mosley who came forward to floyd all night was not stopped. even hatton, who has 10 times worst defense than pacquiao, pac actually has a underated defense, was not stopped until the late rounds. so what happened that floyd is now an unstoppable beast that knocks peopel out here and then? ortiz was not actually a legit stoppage in the sense of the word and we already know that a much lesser fighter have made him quits.

    if ever this fight was made, i would like to have a friendly bet that pac sees the 12th round, maybe an avatar bet.
     
  6. OBSERVER7421

    OBSERVER7421 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    if its easy work why aint the fight happening ?
     
  7. Exactabox

    Exactabox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Unfoftunately at Welter Floyd already been knocked down by a Judah right hook. Unfortunately Floyd been in serious trouble vs Mosley. Those happen to be the best Welters he fought and both beaten by Cotto.
    You box every year and still box but the one year you retire happens to be 2008 ?
    2008 When Cotto, a better fighter 2 weightclasses above the man that gave you the test of your career, Jose Luis Castillo is rockin at your weight ?

    *****s just can't understand logic and forget science and laws of the universe.
    The writing is on the wall Floyd ain't the defensive master no more and ain't on Poochios level. He never would fight a prime Cotto or Pacquiao because people like you will sweat him just for staying on the B level.

    We in a soft era and still no prime A level fighters on the rez ?
    You seen Pacquiaos chin say what you want but that **** is as good as it gets today.
    Floyd got hit and more damaged by power shots from Hatton, Mosley,JMM and ODLH (228 to be exact) than no defense Pacquiao.
    Floyd couldn' hang w/ 2008 Cotto or Pac Today. Fact. Manny has the better chin and power and the right hook which is the weakness in Floyd's fading defensive arsenal. Fact.
     
  8. IRONFIST178

    IRONFIST178 Member Full Member

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    Floyd was more conservative aganist JMM than he will be aganist Pac.He will hit Pac with more ease,as he sees more frequent openings.Mosley has one of the best chins in the sport,probably better than Pac.(Uhh,you do know that Shane has NEVER been stopped,right?)Yeah Hatton wasnt stopped until late,but remember that Floyd wasnt hitting him at will until the 8th round,then Floyd stopped him in the 10th.I never said Floyd was an unstoppable beast,Im simply breaking the fight down by their respective tendencies.Yes,Pacs defense is above average,but the fundamental mistakes he makes lunging,balance-wise,etc.,will be like suicide aganist a sharpshoter like Floyd.He will be able to hit him whenever he wants by the end of the night,and therefore will knock him out.
     
  9. Windigo

    Windigo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why use the early 4th round of Ortiz as an example? All I saw in the early 4th round was a big smile on Ortiz' face when he realized that Floyd had no power. Then he pressed him to the ropes.
     
  10. IRONFIST178

    IRONFIST178 Member Full Member

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    Facts,my butt.And Im no *****.The Judah knockdown was an off balance flash.Floyd was throwing a right to the body and was not in position to take a shot,hard or otherwise.He wasnt even hurt.Yes,Mosley hurt him bad,but that first right hand Mosley put all his weight on that punch.It was a hellofa shot,just because Pac may hit harder doesnt mean he can duplicate that kind of force on a puch landed on Floyd.And yes even as a Floyd fan I would have liked to see him face Cotto,Marg,Kosta Tysu,Willams.....That shouldnt have anything to do with the breakdown of a fight.
     
  11. IRONFIST178

    IRONFIST178 Member Full Member

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    I was using it as an example of Floyd being more agressive when he knows he can tag his opponent at any time
     
  12. Golden Boy 360

    Golden Boy 360 Boxing's Biggest Cash Cow Full Member

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    I knew DKSAB was "dont know **** about boxing" in like 2 seconds. is that a good or bad thing?
     
  13. IRONFIST178

    IRONFIST178 Member Full Member

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    It means you know KSAB,without the D.
     
  14. Windigo

    Windigo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Its a better example of an opponent lacking respect for his power.

    I will say that Floyd can have power when he sits on a punch but he doesn't he arm punches to win rounds. He is too afraid of breaking his hands. Maybe if Manny went up an kissed him that would **** him off enough to actually throw something with bad intentions.
     
  15. Leonard

    Leonard Boxing Addict Full Member

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    this fight could get ugly and boring as hell. we all saw what happened in pac-jmm III. pac won't exactly force the issue for 12 rounds if the other guy does not open up. floyd will potshot his way to an ugly UD win.