Poll: Julio Cesar Chavez vs Shane Mosley @ 135

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  1. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    Chavez would have to box if he stands and traded with Mosley he loses by KO.
     
  2. Gonzarelli

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    OMG
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  4. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He was dropped hard at Jr. Welter when past his prime. The Lightweight version that pulverised Rosario was an entirely different beast, and would do a number on Mosley.
     
  5. MichiganWarrior

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    Do a number on Mosley who's style is basically the anti-Mexican inside fighter? Yeah makes sense. Just ask a young de la Hoya, Vargas and margarita how that worked out. Mosley is faster and stronger then Chavez. Chavez would have to outbid him. No way can he stand chest to chest with a young Mosley and survive.
     
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    ummmmm......... :think

    lol?
     
  7. bernie4366

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    man everything you're saying right now just exposes how little you know about ANY of these guys, especially JCC.

    1. lol at JCC getting knocked by ANYONE

    2. ODLH got robbed v. Mosley

    3. Mosley never fought a young Vargas. He fought a worn out, almost done Vargas.

    You better stick to Mayweather threads.
     
  8. MichiganWarrior

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    1. Mosley ko'd Margarito who would probably get the vote of having the best chin in boxing today. So him stopping Chavez is certainly a possibility. Mosley was a monster at 135. A lightweight with welterweight power.

    2. I said young DLH dumbass. Clear Mosley victory first go around.


    3. No Mexican national fighter has ever beaten Mosley. The only Mexican fighter period to come close was a boxer puncher in Oscar. Mosey doesn't get outslugged. His style is made for beating Mexican slugger.

    The only fighter Chavez fought that had Mosleys athleticism are Taylor and Whitaker. And he should have lost both fights.

    Please tell me. If Taylor was able to outhustle Chavez for 11 plus rounds. Why couldn't Mosley. Its not like Taylor was a technically gifted fighter. He was just really fast and athletic.
     
  9. Bogotazo

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    De La Hoya, Vargas, and Margarito were not in-fighters, and their styles were all different from each other in a big way. Generalizing (very wrongly) their styles based on the fact their Mexican and aggressive completely disregards the reality of their styles. On top of that, Mosley beat all of them fighting mostly from the outside, with effective inside work being done in strategic spots, rather than as a long-term setting and pace for those fights.

    If Chavez were to stand chest to chest with Mosley, he'd have more success than trying to fight him exclusively from the outside due to the disparities in hand and foot speed. Chavez was an ace at smothering punches and weaving under a taller man's shots when in close and capitalizing on the open body. Mosley would help make a war out of it, but Chavez's defense in close is one of the best ever and there's little reason to believe he can't have at least some success in nullifying Shane in close quarters.
     
  10. MichiganWarrior

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    Chavez defense is close to the best ever lol. Wow.

    Please tell me what Mosleys tactic is when a guy tries to get inside on him. He grabs them. He did this constantly agaisnt Margarito when Margarito tried to get inside. If Chavez tried to weave inside he'd get bullied. Mosley is probably one of the most physically strongest boxers ever.


    Like I said Chavez has to try and box Mosley. No fighter stands infront of a prime Mosley and wins unless they have an advantage in size like a Winky Wright.
     
  11. El Bujia

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    Stick to posting about Floyd, Pac and basketball. You actually give me a laugh in those threads. Attempting serious discussion is not your forte.
     
  12. artdawg

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    All this margarito getting ko by balco mosley if pathetic, HE DID not get kod....... If you know anything he is clearly not all thur
     
  13. MichiganWarrior

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    http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=3eJLjbvaxiw


    What the hell was Taylor doing that Mosley wasn't doing. Only difference is Mosley is more durable and stronger. Chavez was able to get inside. If he tried that on Mosley he'd be punished and if he did make it in Mosley would grab him. He'll go watch the Whitaker fight. Whitaker was stronger then Chavez and would bully him from time to time. Chavez was strong for his weight class. He wasn't strong enough when he moved up. And a 135 Mosley was a lightweight with a welterweight physique.
     
  14. MichiganWarrior

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    You dont know **** about boxing. Again tell me what Meldrick Taylor did that Mosley couldn't?
     
  15. Bogotazo

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    Is the concept of Chavez's inside defense alien to you or something? Go make a poll asking whether or not Chavez's defense in close is one of the best ever. Being an effective swarmer takes more than a good chin, stamina, and volume punching. Chavez was very hard to hit cleanly when he had you against the ropes.

    Fair point that Chavez could get bullied around, but then again, shifting him around and clinching to restart on the outside isn't fighting on the inside chest-to-chest, is it?

    If Chavez had the strength to press Mosley consistently, he'd win. His strength is underrated and he knows how to use it efficiently. But considering he probably can't, he can at least cut off the ring in spots and do the superior work on the inside with shorter punches and an easier time dodging punches with a low center of gravity. Then he could mix it up by countering Mosley, but again, he'd probably find himself on the inside again in the process after landing.

    Strictly sticking to an outside fight would probably see him out-sped and outreached by the more mobile Mosley. There's no reason to simply discard his ATG abilities as a short fighter.


    BTW, I'd bet my house El Bujia knows more about the history of boxing than you do. If you're going to argue, try to do so without embarrassing yourself.