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The 1940's? Wasn't that the decade wherein 50+ million males in their athletic primes were exterminated? Yeah, I guess it's a Golden Era if you like a watered down talent pool. And I usually pass on the opinions in these matters from those entering their 7th decades. Experience tells me they are biased. And I am not immune to this either. I will always believe Hagler, Tyson, Whitaker and Chavez could take anyone. This stance will not be lessened in the coming decades, should I be so lucky to survive. No offense to you. I like your stories, though sometimes I imagine you are merely a very well-read 14 yr. old nerd pulling the board's collective chain.
So Seamus I, and others in their 7th decade,are ignored by the likes of you. Sorry, I'm still kicking and intend to for a little while. I don't offend easily, but you have dealt me and others who have paid our "dues",a damn low blow. Would you feel better if there was an age limit to satisfy your bias for mature ESB posters ? You call me a "14 year old nerd". So brave of you to insult me from behind a computer. You cannot argue facts and boxing history, and because it is you who are biased against older posters and assume everyone else to not be capable of objectivity. You have a right to disagree with me or any poster, but it is a kick in the groin to belittle someone because of their age. I can assure you it won't happen again. Methusaleh :hi:
P.S. You say that the 1940s was a "watered down" talent pool in the USA,because my era was drafted, fought, served and yes many died in the war, but this "watered" down talent of the 1940s would have wiped the floor with today's fighters who fight twice or three times a year. Read your boxing history,and respect everyone regardless of their age...
It was a great generation, no denial here. Makes mine look like a bunch of whining pussies with a collective and undeserved sense of entitlement. That said, lucky for guys of that era that they could choose to avoid certain fighters of color, could go very far regardless of talent if they knew guys named Blinky, and that there were no Eastern European boys allowed in the upper weight divisions that they have come to dominate. Other than that, yeah, interesting era. Someday, I will learn to read and get as smart as you.
Burt- If you reread my post, you will see that I said I was not immune from bias. I have become biased towards the 80's/90's and intend on becoming moreso in the future. This is something I have seen from many followers of many sports, and those of politics and culture... It is nothing new. You may deny it as you like but don't think I am launching an attack on only you and from which I am immune. Otherwise, you apparently do not get my humor at all, which is fine. The 14 year old nerd comment was an amusing thought, that you were in fact just pulling our leg. I am almost 97% sure you are what you say. Take care.
Yeah, and so should Gatti, Chacon, and Ward. Surprised Aaron Pryor hasn't been mentioned yet, either.
gatti i agree (ruelas), chacon i agree, ward i agree (sanchez, gatti 1). pryor though i'm not sure about. he wasn't behind too badly against cervantes or arguello or getting his ass kicked before the KOs. it seemed he was at least keeping pace and i can't recall him digging TOO deep against anyone else
He was down against DuJuan Johnson, and managed to floor Hinton late in a fight that was up for grabs. Part of the reason why he was mentioned.
Both Leonards Benny and Ray. Benny had a way of getting out of trubble with his wit. For example in his first bout with Lew Tendler he talked his way out of being knocked out. Ray beat guys such as Roberto Duran, Willfred Bentiez, Thomas Hearns and Marvious Marvin Hagler all on paper should have beaten him.
Fair enough. I suppose I count the Norris fight because it was looking like a boxer was finally going to do what Quincy Taylor later did and comprehensively outbox & break down Jackson, and then Jackson landed those three famous punches...