mate,my 'analytical skills'are fine again,by you saying **** like this,on a boxing forum,just proves how clever you are. mostly it just proves you read and study(apart from the physical side)a lot,and can talk the talk. i am just a plastering ex boxer,who is a tad fick,who still goes to a gym now and again,can't spar cos of the head,but i try and give kids some advice,i will point them to the intellectuals on here. ****,the lad who works for me,who ive pointed out,even asks me advice on stuff,i will point him to some on here,im sure he will learn some stuff. over and out:yep:hi:
Again Widdy, don't bother answering any of the questions, which are in no way related to your experience in boxing, which I will concede my inferiority to. I know only the basics in terms of boxing technique, but try and teach the kids on my estate the same things, so fair play to you. Again, this isn't relevant in any way in applying textbook boxing technique to MMA, or rather the difficulty in doing so. So either respond to the thread, rather than saying 'Boxing iz better den gay wrasslin' or concede that, in the context of the debate that is going on in this thread, that you don't know what you're on about. That doesn't mean you don't know about boxing, again, you're not reading my post properly.
If the MMA fighter decides to take it to the ground, then the boxer in big trouble, and is gonna be submitted or not be able to defend himself and be stopped If the MMA fighter is stupid enough to try and win it in the stand up, then hes in big trouble, and is most certain to to be KO'd badly. Standing up an elite Boxer is an exceptionally dangerous fighter probably the most dangerous, but when on the ground all his skill are taken away.
Coincidentally I read a Vic Darchinyan quote in a newspaper this morning where he says he will definitely have an MMA fight in 2012 :good
it's obvious that if you put an mma elite fighter with an elite boxer in the ring , the mma fighter will be whipped on boxing rules , but look at Junior Dos Santos , he relies on his boxing skills / power / range and he became the UFC heavyweight champion .... so , I think that a good boxer which can learn fast ( wrestling,bjj, how to avoid a takedown etc ) , can do a good work in mma . ......
But JDS didn't learn fast. He's been working hard for years. His takedown defence is good, it's not easy to learn. There's not much money in MMA anyway, doubt any boxers would want to take the risk.
Neither is "better" than the other. They're different sports, and just because you have a preference for one doesn't make it superior to the other. Though I will be a hypocrite for a moment and say that gladiator fighting is totally cooler than curling.
this post shows you know **** all about mma, you cannot throw punches in mma as you would do in boxing, if you commit to a punch in mma like following through with your shoulder for the straight right, pivoting left with the back foot, rotating the hips in an anti clock wise direction your balance for defending the takedown is gone, squared up shoulders and hips is how to defend a takedown and if you throw a textbook right hand even someone who has trained wreslting for 12 months will know how to duck the right hand shoot and put you on your arse as your balance is now gone and your hips are facing more to your left. Throwing less effective punches but keeping a squared up stance is more viable in mma than throwing a nice shot and getting pinned down btw wrestling is the dominant ma in mma judo and karate are becoming more and more insignificant
i think junior did learn fast, he wouldnt be where he is today if he wasnt a fast learner, it still took him close to 10 to 12 training years to get where he is today this notion that a boxer with a couple of years training could compete at the top of the ufc is all wrong :good
Exactly, at least a decade! :good As for textbook boxing striking, not essential with 4oz gloves. So Floyd, B-Hop, Haye...all ancient before they'd even have a chance even assuming they take to it like a duck to water.
when I said " to learn fast " I didn't refer to a few months ,I referred to 1-3 years, lets say ! ... "to learn fast" - is how fast can a man learn and apply a technique ( wrestling,ground game, avoid takedowns ,etc ) in comparation with others ! and it's not about the money , it's about if a good boxer can be successful in mma , if he can manage good in this discipline with the right training and time .... not overnight aaa, and sorry if didn't specify the period of training ( how years )
havent we seen james toney go into mma and last seconds agaisnt someone who as equally shot in mma as he is in boxing. The sports are simelar but different - think ruby league, rugby union, nfl
well yes , this is a good exemple but I don't know how long J. Toney prepared for that fight .... it was only a single fight in mma for J.T , but if Toney would 've had more time for preparing , some prepare fights in mma for the experience , maybe the things would've went better for Toney in that fight ....